There is only one Spirit.
Doesn't matter. The Father and Jesus are different.
There is only one Spirit.
ARRRGHGGHGHGGGGH!
Have you ever tried LISTENING to someone for a moment before you write four thousand word responses? Or if not that, at least asking someone what they believe rather than just telling them?
Here, if you can prove that I believe in the trinity, I promise to continue reading the rest of your post. Deal? Otherwise, you disqualified your argument by showing that you don't know who you are talking to and that you haven't been listening very well.
My belief: One God who is the Father, the Father is separate from the son ontologically. Jesus is the Fathers son in the sense that the Father created him. The Son is NOT God almighty but is at times referred to as God the same way other persons in the scripture, who aren't God, are called Gods (1 Cor 8:5. Psalms 82:1, Psalms 8:5, 2 Cor 4:4, John 10:34, Exo 7:1).
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Mine too.
LA
The Bible has many example of Gods glory being shwon through his representatives. In Jesus case he is Gods greatest representative, thus he's a reflection of Gods glory.
Need proof of what I just said regarding representives of God radiate Gods glory, here it is.
An angel shared Gods glory - "..Suddenly Gods angel stood before them, and the Lords glory gleamed around them, and they became very fearful.." (Luke 2:9)
Followers of Christ reflect Gods glory - (2 Corinthians 3:17, 18) "..Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18 And all of us, while we with unveiled faces reflect like mirrors the glory of the Lord, are transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another, exactly as it is done by Jehovah the Spirit.."
Look... Stupid in stereo!
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Jehovah: ... Isaiah 43:11 and Luke 2:11
NWL... not true Jahovah! You used the term "Savior" in other ways than that.
Jehovah: Isaiah 45:5
NWL: You lie Jahovah! There's other God's! Just read EE's quote of my rebuttal to you. It's so groovy you have me to correct you and your bible, J-Hova!
Look... Stupid in stereo!
[MENTION=15324]NWL[/MENTION] ... like my signature?
Jehovah: ... Isaiah 43:11 and Luke 2:11
NWL... not true Jahovah! You used the term "Savior" in other ways than that.
Jehovah: Isaiah 45:5
NWL: You lie Jahovah! There's other God's! Just read EE's quote of my rebuttal to you. It's so groovy you have me to correct you and your bible, J-Hova!
LOOL! Your issue is that you lack understanding of how the bible speaks. You've failed to answer the questions I asked you, hopefully you will make a reply soon.
You accuse me of calling Jehovah a lair since he said "there is no God beside him". Do you lack that much capacity that you failed to see I quoted scripture in defence of this, is it me that claims there are other Gods bedside the One true God or rather, is it the Bible that makes that claim? Lets quickly see
(1 Corinthians 8:5) "..For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” there is actually to us one God.."
(Psalm 82:1) "..God takes his place in the divine assembly; In the middle of the gods he judges.."
(2 Corinthians 4:4) "..among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, so that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through.."
(John 10:34) "..Jesus answered them: “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said: “You are gods”’?.."
(Exodus 7:1) "..Jehovah then said to Moses: “See, I have made you God to Pharʹaoh, and Aaron your own brother will become your prophet.."
The Bible claims there are other Gods beside Jehovah! You lack understand as to why Jehovah said there is no God beside him. Your understanding of the scriptures are elementary.
I'm looking EXTREMELY forward to your reply to my question as to how there are people called saviours in the Bible even though Jehovah says there is no saviour other than him since this applies EXACTLY the same principle of the use of negative phrases "no God beside me" vs "no saviour beside me"
What I asked: If there can be ONLY saviour how is it possible that Othniel (Judges 3:9) and Ehud (Judges 3:15) are referred to as saviours using exactly the Hebrew term as applied to God in Isaiah 43:11 that you mentioned? According to Judges 3:9,15 does scripture allow for their to be more than one Savior?
Waiting for ALL your answers to the things I said and asked in my previous posts, not just one in reply to the above.
Please keep digging EE, the sooner you dig yourself deep enough in that hole of yours, the sooner I can lay your false teaching to rest.
There's this idiot named Gurucam on the site. You can type 5 words of truth to Him and He replies with 1000 words of twisting scripture.
You are a deceived Satan Promoter that seriously believes the WatchTower isn't a WHORE.
Well guess what... The WatchTower is a Whore... and you are an IDOL worshipping ADULTEROR.
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Isa 49:5 And now, saith the LORD that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the LORD, and my God shall be my strength.
Isa 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.
There is a person called Evil.Eye.<(I)> on this site, instead of being able to answer questions and defend what he believes all the does is accuse you of things, insults you and runs away from clear teachings and questions he can't answer.
I can't believe that you're using my length of replies as a means to discredit me, clearly you're getting desperate.
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I'm one of Jehovah's witnesses and I will remain as one till the day I die... unless that never happens.
You shout and bagger me because you claim I'm only here to promote "watchtower" material, you then quote writings and expect me to make reply in defence of "watchtower" that you accused me of promoting in the first place.
I'm not here to defend the Watch tower organisation. This is a typical example of shooting the messenger instead of attacking the message.
I did write a big old line of text, as I typically do, that shows Russell wasn't calling Jesus almighty in the sense of being almighty God, but simply in reference to what almighty meant back then (Websters Dictionary, Almighty: possessing all power) which was evident when he used Matt 28:18 just before the statement in question. Matt 28:18 states Jesus received all power and authority in heaven and on earth. Russell calling Jesus almighty in reference to Matt 28:18 and Jesus being almighty God are two different things.
I decided it was better not to post it because I'm not here to defend the society or members in it, but rather discuss and defend the bible.
And no, I won't be carrying our discussion from the trinity thread on to this one. We can finish our discussion where we started it.
You call Jehovah a liar. You have no spiritual integrity. Is Isaiah 43:11 true or not?
I now have PROOF that you don't listen or care to learn. You are only here to pedal the WatchTower...
Answer my question first and I'll answer yours, it's relevant to what your asking. Don't forget I asked you this question many many post ago, and you've yet to answer.
If there can be ONLY saviour how is it possible that Othniel (Judges 3:9) and Ehud (Judges 3:15) are referred to as saviours using exactly the Hebrew term as applied to God in Isaiah 43:11 that you mentioned? According to Judges 3:9,15 does scripture allow for their to be more than one Savior?
I don't have to answer anything. You're the one that tells GOD ALMIGHTY that "HE isn't the ONLY SAVIOR"...
You are the indwelled vessel of the Father of lies and your falsehood is now exposed.
Isaiah 43:11
GOD Soeeking!
Does God Lie?
Do we TWIST GOD'S Words?
:rotfl: Well there we have it, straight from the horse's mouth! What makes you think I have to answer your then until you answer mine????
Stop acting like you're not answering my question out of principle, you won't answer because you can't. You can cleary see that Othniel (Judges 3:9) and Ehud (Judges 3:15) are referred to saviours EVEN THOUGH according to Isa 43:11 it states there is no saviour but GOD! You can't explain this so result to the same accusations and run away from the questions.
You're asking me does God lie, YOU TELL ME! Are Othniel (Judges 3:9) and Ehud (Judges 3:15) saviours or is God a liar according to Isaiah 43:11!?
Answer my question first, that I asked first, and then I'll answer yours, this is a reasonable request on my part.
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Come find me ONLY when you're willing and able to answer the questions I asked you that you keep clearly evading. Please don't pose me any question until you've answered mine.
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Did you notice that the same Greek word is used here for "worship the Father" as is used for when men and angels worship Jesus?
Age? What does Jesus say when asked about his age? He said that "before Abraham was, I am" and also mentioned that he was there when the Satan fell from heaven like lightning. I know you aren't arguing against that, but please consider for a moment that you've also attributed Jesus to being older than the creation.
Authority? What does Jesus say about authority? He has received all authority in heaven and earth, when it was noted that only God can forgive sins, he forgave sins. He also apparently has the authority to call himself Alpha and Omega, beginning and end, the first and the last, and to accept the worship of men and angels, Do you see any place where Jesus worships anything? You do see prayer when he is on earth, yes, but worship?
Regardless, if you understand Jesus to be an exact copy of God, how do you reckon that Jesus is a different person? If I made an exact copy of myself, and I shared the same thoughts at the same time, I wouldn't say that was a different person, I'd say I was in more than one place at the same time. If I were worthy of worship, there wouldn't be any trouble which "me" was being worshiped.
If you are "the exact representation of a person" it goes without saying that you are NOT the person that you are the exact representation of, if you were the same person, then you wouldn't be a image of that person since you literally are that person. Being a copy/image of something implies you are NOT the thing that you image.
Exactly... God was born of the bloodline of JACOB when He bound to our flesh.
It was part of that atonement thing. You really are rediculous, LA!
Disgusted with your lies and falsehood,
EE