The Trinity

[popsthebuilder]

As for the Holy Spirit, that manifestation of God's Love and Grace, is not 'independent' of God! But is rather that which flows from God to first, His Chosen Messenger, (for Moses, symbolised by the Burning Bush, for Jesus, by a Dove, for Muhammad, the Angel Gabriel) second, for the Chosen Disciples, a burning tongue of flame, (taken from the biblical description of Pentecost) thirdly that image, or totem, that comes to mind for the believer, when filled by the Holy Spirit, that state of Grace conferred upon them by the Will of God, the Ever Forgiving, the Most Merciful, the Compassionate!
The existence of the Holy Spirit, that Grace emanating from God, does not imply a Trinity


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peace

Couldn't please explain this in more depth:
"thirdly that image, or totem, that comes to mind for the believer, when filled by the Holy Spirit,"

Thank you in advance... welcome....

peace

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[God's Truth]

Romans: 10. 12. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. 14. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15. And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! 16. But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

17. So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. 18. But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

19. But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.

20. But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me. 21. But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.



(all I am trying to say is that faith comes from hearing, and that limiting hearing to reading the written word is not correct. I am not defending anyone. It was only a response to your words. It was not and is not meant as an attack or defence towards any person. It is defence of the fact that hearing of Jesus and GOD is enough to hope in them and seek help, and that this is indeed effectual to being given faith in GOD, freely and mercifully, and wholly miraculously)

peace friend



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Where have I spoke against that?

Go consider more carefully.

You are confused.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Where have I spoke against that?

Go consider more carefully.

You are confused.

"I also spoke of how you would not know about God and Jesus if you did not have the Holy Bible."


That is what I was talking about.

peace

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[God's Truth]

"I also spoke of how you would not know about God and Jesus if you did not have the Holy Bible."


That is what I was talking about.

peace

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Okay?

What about that.

Do you think we can do without the Holy Bible?

 

[popsthebuilder]

Okay?

What about that.

Do you think we can do without the Holy Bible?

No ma'am, I think faith that comes from hearing isn't limited to one reading the written Word. That is all.

I don't think that you agree, and would like to discuss our differences dear friend, in the spirit of edification between siblings in faith.

Would you care to?

Oh wait....;we are aren't we...

peace dear sister

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[God's Truth]

No ma'am, I think faith that comes from hearing isn't limited to one reading the written Word. That is all.

The Holy Bible says faith comes from hearing.
So you know better than God?

I don't think that you agree,

What on earth are you talking about? What don't you think about me and what I agree on?

and would like to discuss our differences dear friend, in the spirit of edification between siblings in faith.

Would you care to?

Oh wait....;we are aren't we...

peace dear sister

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I don't play games. Say plainly what you want to say.

 

[marhig]

The Holy Bible says faith comes from hearing.
So you know better than God?


What on earth are you talking about? What don't you think about me and what I agree on?



I don't play games. Say plainly what you want to say.

Hi GT, to me it looks like pops means that faith doesn't only first come from reading the Bible, I received the word from a man of God, a preacher before I read the Bible.

And it says this in the Bible

Romans 10

How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

If I'm wrong pops please correct me

 

[popsthebuilder]

The Holy Bible says faith comes from hearing.
So you know better than God?


What on earth are you talking about? What don't you think about me and what I agree on?



I don't play games. Say plainly what you want to say.

I have said and do say; faith comes from hearing.

Isn't that what you say too?

I do not limit the capacities or capabilities of GOD and know that you do not either.

So now, please hear me;

Hearing is not limited to reading, they aren't even technically synonyms.


read

r?d/

verb

1.

look at and comprehend the meaning of (written or printed matter) by mentally interpreting the characters or symbols of which it is composed.

"it's the best novel I've ever read"

synonymseruse,*study,*scrutinize,*look through;*More

2.

inspect and record the figure indicated on (a measuring instrument).

"I've come to read the gas meter"

noun

1.

US

a person's interpretation of something.

"their*read on*the national situation may be correct"

hear

hir/

verb

perceive with the ear the sound made by (someone or something).

"behind her she could hear men's voices"

synonymserceive,*make out,*discern,*catch,*get,*apprehend;*

overhear

"she could hear men's voices"

be told or informed of.

"have you heard the news?"

synonyms:be informed,*be told,*find out,*discover,*learn,*gather,*glean,*ascertain,*get word,*get wind

"they heard that I had moved"

be aware of; know of the existence of.

"nobody had ever heard of my college"


Please do show that hearing that leads to faith is limited to reading the Holy Bible.

peace

The Holy Bible says faith comes from hearing.
So you know better than God?


What on earth are you talking about? What don't you think about me and what I agree on?



I don't play games. Say plainly what you want to say.

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[God's Truth]

I have said and do say; faith comes from hearing.

Isn't that what you say too?

I do not limit the capacities or capabilities of GOD and know that you do not either.

So now, please hear me;

Hearing is not limited to reading, they aren't even technically synonyms.


read

r?d/

verb

1.

look at and comprehend the meaning of (written or printed matter) by mentally interpreting the characters or symbols of which it is composed.

"it's the best novel I've ever read"

synonymseruse,*study,*scrutinize,*look through;*More

2.

inspect and record the figure indicated on (a measuring instrument).

"I've come to read the gas meter"

noun

1.

US

a person's interpretation of something.

"their*read on*the national situation may be correct"

hear

hir/

verb

perceive with the ear the sound made by (someone or something).

"behind her she could hear men's voices"

synonymserceive,*make out,*discern,*catch,*get,*apprehend;*

overhear

"she could hear men's voices"

be told or informed of.

"have you heard the news?"

synonyms:be informed,*be told,*find out,*discover,*learn,*gather,*glean,*ascertain,*get word,*get wind

"they heard that I had moved"

be aware of; know of the existence of.

"nobody had ever heard of my college"


Please do show that hearing that leads to faith is limited to reading the Holy Bible.

peace



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Faith comes from HEARING.

That can be from you hearing in your own mind while you read that Bible, or hearing someone else verbally speak about the Bible.

Why are you going against the Bible?

Why are you going against me for defending what the Bible says?

 

[God's Truth]

Hi GT, to me it looks like pops means that faith doesn't only first come from reading the Bible, I received the word from a man of God, a preacher before I read the Bible.

And it says this in the Bible

Romans 10

How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

If I'm wrong pops please correct me

Did you hear the person speak scriptures from the Bible?

 

[popsthebuilder]

Faith comes from HEARING.

That can be from you hearing in your own mind while you read that Bible, or hearing someone else verbally speak about the Bible.

Why are you going against the Bible?

Why are you going against me for defending what the Bible says?

I am not going against the Bible dear friend and really am not going against you as you belief stems directly frombthe written Word of GOD and the Truth you have discerned there from.

As Mrs. Mary has mentioned; hearing isn't limited to hearing from one's recitation of the written Word alone, or from reading the written Word alone, but is from hearing. How does one hope on a thing they have not heard of? They do not. And literally all have heard of GOD and the Spirit there of.

I am not going against you, but if you wish to show your point in going against me then please provide scripture that supports that one can only come to faith in the Christ of GOD, that is to say; the Spirit of GOD, by hearing the written letters of the Bible.

Then support it by reconciling the fact that those of faith prior to the compilation of the Bible indeed did have genuine faith and where indeed the body of the Christ of GOD.

peace friend....sincerely

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[marhig]

Did you hear the person speak scriptures from the Bible?

Yes of course, but my point is that I heard the word through a person first.

 

[God's Truth]

Yes of course, but my point is that I heard the word through a person first.

What does it matter when it comes to hearing the written Word?

 

[popsthebuilder]

Yes of course, but my point is that I heard the word through a person first.

Perhaps I misunderstood you friend.

Do you believe that one can hope on a thing they have but heard of? Do you believe that they who hope on the Lord can be given faith by hearing the Word (not limited to the written Word and Truth that is in the Holy Bible)?

peace

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[God's Truth]

Marhig, do you even know why you are giving popsthebuilder thanks on this issue?

 

[marhig]

I am not going against the Bible dear friend and really am not going against you as you belief stems directly frombthe written Word of GOD and the Truth you have discerned there from.

As Mrs. Mary has mentioned; hearing isn't limited to hearing from one's recitation of the written Word alone, or from reading the written Word alone, but is from hearing. How does one hope on a thing they have not heard of? They do not. And literally all have heard of GOD and the Spirit there of.

I am not going against you, but if you wish to show your point in going against me then please provide scripture that supports that one can only come to faith in the Christ of GOD, that is to say; the Spirit of GOD, by hearing the written letters of the Bible.

Then support it by reconciling the fact that those of faith prior to the compilation of the Bible indeed did have genuine faith and where indeed the body of the Christ of GOD.

peace friend....sincerely

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Yes I agree, and my uncle could talk about God without just the written word in Bible and he was really strong in God and he spoke what he received from God there and then. Just like all those who are born of God do. The Holy Spirit gives us what we need to speak, when we need it.

Matthew 10

“But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.”*

 

[marhig]

Marhig, do you even know why you are giving popsthebuilder thanks on this issue?

I believe that it is important to read the Bible, yes, but I believe that the Holy Spirit also teaches us directly in our hearts and gives us what we need to speak when needed. Those who wrote the Bible received the word through Christ, from the Holy Spirit of God.

 

[God's Truth]

Yes I agree, and my uncle could talk about God without just the written word in Bible and he was really strong in God and he spoke what he received from God there and then. Just like all those who are born of God do. The Holy Spirit gives us what we need to speak, when we need it.

Matthew 10

“But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.”*

If a person is not speaking according to the scriptures, what are they speaking?

 

[popsthebuilder]

If a person is not speaking according to the scriptures, what are they speaking?

Who is being accused of going against scripture in your question?

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[marhig]

If a person is not speaking according to the scriptures, what are they speaking?

Yes but they don't only speak exactly what is in the scriptures, but it must coincide with them. Have you heard a strong lay preacher. My uncle used to stand at the docks in Liverpool and preach for for ages. He was like the men of God in the Bible.