The Trinity

[God's Truth]

Yes, most Jews missed it - "if they had known they would not have crucified the Lord from Glory".
However, Isaiah didn't miss it. According to him Jesus is the Everlasting Father. According to him, the "delusion" (causing them to think that God is one Person) of the Jews should be reinforced exponentially. He did more than any other person in history to reinforce that "misunderstanding".


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Nothing you say is going to throw me off track of your exalting the wise and learned and God hiding His Truth from them.

 

[God's Truth]

GT spends more time reading the "thanks" than she does reading a person's posts.

What a joke she is.

People give thanks because they appreciate something a person posts....it has NOTHING to do with you, oh self-centered one.

So dishonest.

 

[God's Truth]

There is nothing about circumcision or animal sacrifices anywhere in that chapter, and yet God's UNtruth claims "not of yourselves" refers to such.

Even though the Jews didn't circumcise themselves, nor did they offer up sacrifices themselves.

Even though Paul was speaking directly to the Gentiles....aliens from the commonwealth of Israel.

Eph. 2:11-13 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.​

What a dolt she is! :dunce:

hahahhahaaaaaa haaaaaahahaaaaaaaa!

 

[SimpleMan77]

Nothing you say is going to throw me off track of your exalting the wise and learned and God hiding His Truth from them.

Is your point that we should be as ignorant as possible? The ignoranter the gooder?


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[KingdomRose]

As William Penn once said: "Know then, my friend, that the Trinity was born above three hundred years after the ancient Gospel was declared; it was conceived in ignorance, brought forth and maintained by cruelty."

 

[God's Truth]

Is your point that we should be as ignorant as possible? The ignoranter the gooder?


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Are you mocking God's Word?

 

[SimpleMan77]

Are you mocking God's Word?

No. I made some points about God purposely causing the prophets and saints of the Old Testament (including Isaiah) to believe that He was one single Person, and you say the people believing that are the "wise" who God has blinded.
If you think Isaiah and the other prophets are blinded by God, I have to question who has things hidden from them. Certainly not Isaiah.


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[popsthebuilder]

Is your point that we should be as ignorant as possible? The ignoranter the gooder?


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Willful ignorance is utterly wrong. Genuine ignorance is innocence in itself.

The more knowledge one has, the more they are held accountable for.

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[popsthebuilder]

The trinity is a perspective or attempted description of the qualities and characteristics of GOD as they pertains to man. That is all good and well.

It is when it is stretched into a doctrine that must be believed in in order to be saved that it has the potential for much misdirection, the least of which is elitism, prejudice, and the equating of man to GOD, which has been seen in the past to be partially causal if utter atrocities against mankind.

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[God's Truth]

Yes, most Jews missed it - "if they had known they would not have crucified the Lord from Glory".
However, Isaiah didn't miss it. According to him Jesus is the Everlasting Father. According to him, the "delusion" (causing them to think that God is one Person) of the Jews should be reinforced exponentially. He did more than any other person in history to reinforce that "misunderstanding".


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I have no idea what you are talking about. There is no misunderstanding about God being One.

 

[SimpleMan77]

I have no idea what you are talking about. There is no misunderstand about God being One.

Isaiah and the Jews understood "God is One" to mean that God has one divine center of consciousness. One in the strictest form of the word.
God knew that they believed it. If the "one" was really a singleness of substance, not an actual singleness, why did God purposefully and repeatedly reinforce their delusion by saying "I'm God by myself"? He knew that they were going to take that statement to mean absolute singleness of Person, so He chose to say it over and over.


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[God's Truth]

I will look at the website, but to answer your questions absolutely none of this came from a website. I do not speak Hebrew, but I rub shoulders with people who are very fluent.

The "US" in Gen 1: it amazes me how trinitarians take the personal, SINGULAR pronoun "HE" in Gen 1:26 & 27, and are perfectly fine saying that it applies to more than one person. However, they take what appears to be referring to 2 different persons in the NT (the Father and the Son), and are completely unwilling to consider that it might be referring to one Being (the Father being an omnipresent Spirit, who's center of consciousness can't be confined to one physical location, and the Son, where that one, omnipresent Spirit chose to partake of humanity).
Now, to answer the US directly: every true Hebrew scholar for hundreds of years after that was written looked at that and found it totally consistent with there being only one divine being (with only one center of consciousness). People who call themselves Hebrew scholars in modern times can't possibly understand the original language, with all of its subtle nuances, as well as those immersed in it.
If someone 2000 years from now reads the writings of today, there will be parts of our language that may confuse them. However, to those of us who understand the cultures and how language is currently being used, we understand it far better than those who may claim to be English experts in the future.
That's why I say all "true Hebrew scholars" read that to be referring to one Person. The teachers and rabbis were unanimous in this.

Whenever I start reading about people using Hebrew and Greek, and scholars, teachers, and fluent people, and rubbing shoulders…I think about how God hid His Truth from the wise and learned and revealed His Truth to little children.

 

[God's Truth]

Isaiah and the Jews understood "God is One" to mean that God has one divine center of consciousness. One in the strictest form of the word.
God knew that they believed it. If the "one" was really a singleness of substance, not an actual singleness, why did God purposefully and repeatedly reinforce their delusion by saying "I'm God by myself"? He knew that they were going to take that statement to mean absolute singleness of Person, so He chose to say it over and over.


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So you are saying God is One, right? Then maybe you believe as I do that Jesus is God the Father come in the flesh as a Son?

 

[SimpleMan77]

Whenever I start reading about people using Hebrew and Greek, and scholars, teachers, and fluent people, and rubbing shoulders…I think about how God hid His Truth from the wise and learned and revealed His Truth to little children.

...and you still won't answer why God would have purposely misled His chosen people to think there is only one God. He doesn't purposely mislead. The very first commandment says "don't, in thinking of me, place any other beings beside me as God" (paraphrased, but exactly what he said). In other words, think of only one person when you think of God.


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[God's Truth]

...and you still won't answer why God would have purposely misled His chosen people to think there is only one God. He doesn't purposely mislead. The very first commandment says "don't, in thinking of me, place any other beings beside me as God" (paraphrased, but exactly what he said). In other words, think of only one person when you think of God.


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God is One. I am not a trinitarian.

There are three, and the three are one and one means the same.

 

[God's Truth]

No. I made some points about God purposely causing the prophets and saints of the Old Testament (including Isaiah) to believe that He was one single Person, and you say the people believing that are the "wise" who God has blinded.
If you think Isaiah and the other prophets are blinded by God, I have to question who has things hidden from them. Certainly not Isaiah.


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I said no such thing. I did not say the people believing God is One are the wise and blinded.

Where did you get that?

 

[SimpleMan77]

So you are saying God is One, right? Then maybe you believe as I do that Jesus is God the Father come in the flesh as a Son?

Jesus is the One God of the OT who came in flesh. 1 = 1


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[God's Truth]

Luke 10:21 At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do.

No amount of education, or studies in other languages such as Greek or Hebrew will give you God’s Truth, in fact, the word of God says in 1 Corinthians 1:27 “But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.

Isaiah 44:25 who foils the signs of false prophets and makes fools of diviners, who overthrows the learning of the wise and turns it into nonsense,

1 Corinthians 1:20 Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?

1 Corinthians 1:21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.

1 Corinthians 2:12 We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.

 

[God's Truth]

Jesus is the One God of the OT who came in flesh. 1 = 1


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Sounds like you believe as I do. However, just to clarify...do you believe it was God the Father speaking in the Old Testament?

I debated Rosenritter before and it sounded as if we had the same beliefs until he said God in the Old Testament was not called the Father.

The Old Testament does call God the Father.

Could you clarify your beliefs?

 

[SimpleMan77]

Sounds like you believe as I do. However, just to clarify...do you believe it was God the Father speaking in the Old Testament?

I debated Rosenritter before and it sounded as if we had the same beliefs until he said God in the Old Testament was not called the Father.

The Old Testament does call God the Father.

Could you clarify your beliefs?

The OT calls Him Father, so yes, absolutely. However, you never find God being called "Son" before Bethlehem. The reason is because He wasn't a Son until he was born to Mary. Jesus was the Father of the OT becoming a man.


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