Without Christ there is no church friend.
Not what I said.
I do not think the originals were in Greek.
Too bad. They were.
The scriptures do say that Christ in dwelled Jesus.
Book, chapter, and verse please?
Without Christ there is no church friend.
I do not think the originals were in Greek.
The scriptures do say that Christ in dwelled Jesus.
It is a good article. Paul hired scribes to pen his words when his eyesight went bad. Luke was indeed the upper crust and his letter reads as if it was Greek, not Hebrew. The Gospel of John is the simplest form of Greek that makes it nearly impossible that it could be translated from eitherJust looked over your last post about the early Hebrew and Aramaic. Very interesting indeed, but it really does not change my thoughts that Aramaic was most likely used in the early m/s. Thank you for that post.
After 200 threads? Not sure I believe you. As I said, it is easily side-stepped, but the point sticks in the throat. If I went to a JW website and brought this up 200 times with other Trinitarians? You'd think I was a one-trick pony with no other interest but usurping.You really should not think disagreement is a personal attack Lon, it's not.
I know. That is why I gave you the verse to memorize. "If" you are going to listen to the whole counsel of God and love it, I think you need to memorize the need to honor the Son "Exactly as" you honor the Father. That is what the verse means. It is a directive straight from the Son's mouth.I honor the Son as Lord of all creation, made so by our God.
Honoring Him exactly as you honor the Father, gives you a specific instruction. One that is certainly difficult for a Unit-arian. For me? If I have a hard time following scripture because of my 'belief' my belief is probably wrong.That does not make him God
Not true. Look in a mirror. That image IS you. When you move, 'he' moves. Pull out your drivers license. That 'image' is you. Certainly one would not talk to it, but they would say "That's Keypurr" and they would be right. The 'photo' is a creation. The 'image' is not. It is a reflection of your being. It is you. One more time: The drivers license is not you. The 'image' is you or it'd not be 'your' image. Do you follow?even though he was given the power of God. All images are creations
Again. Memorize the verse. You may remain a Unit-arian for a while, but that verse will always remind you of why I am both 'Unit' and "Tri-."creatures not God. I see the Son in that way. God has glorified him to the highest of anyone except God himself. Who am I to question his choice? I honor the Son as my Lord, not my God.
Peace
Keypurr, your thoughts do not match historical fact (not fiction or opinion, fact), which is that the New Testament was originally written in Koine Greek.
Not what I said.
Too bad. They were.
Book, chapter, and verse please?
Why can not to just think that I might be right? Your in a box friend.
The majority or most in the holy lands spoke Aramaic. So it is most likely that the early Eastern Christians are correct in saying that the originals were in Aramaic. Scholars differ on many things.
Keypurr, you made the claim that scripture says that Christ indwelled Jesus. I'm asking for that scripture.How would book, chapter and verse prove your claim?
It is a good article. Paul hired scribes to pen his words when his eyesight went bad. Luke was indeed the upper crust and his letter reads as if it was Greek, not Hebrew. The Gospel of John is the simplest form of Greek that makes it nearly impossible that it could be translated from either
Aramaic or Hebrew. I found it good reading too. Thank you.
After 200 threads? Not sure I believe you. As I said, it is easily side-stepped, but the point sticks in the throat. If I went to a JW website and brought this up 200 times with other Trinitarians? You'd think I was a one-trick pony with no other interest but usurping.
If my only presence on such a site was to go against each and every doctrinal point of disagreement, I'd soon gain the reputation of being a trouble-maker, no matter how nice I was about those disagreements. In the end, would I really be there only to attack another's 'personal' faith? However well meaning, I don't think it is escapable. It is exactly what it is. I know I'd at least study up if that were my calling. Being contentious day in and day out is too taxing. I think it takes a certain kind of person to 'want' to do this. I'm amazed anybody 'wants' to do it.
I know. That is why I gave you the verse to memorize. "If" you are going to listen to the whole counsel of God and love it, I think you need to memorize the need to honor the Son "Exactly as" you honor the Father. That is what the verse means. It is a directive straight from the Son's mouth.
Honoring Him exactly as you honor the Father, gives you a specific instruction. One that is certainly difficult for a Unit-arian. For me? If I have a hard time following scripture because of my 'belief' my belief is probably wrong.
It is a good verse to memorize and contemplate.
Not true. Look in a mirror. That image IS you. When you move, 'he' moves. Pull out your drivers license. That 'image' is you. Certainly one would not talk to it, but they would say "That's Keypurr" and they would be right. The 'photo' is a creation. The 'image' is not. It is a reflection of your being. It is you. One more time: The drivers license is not you. The 'image' is you or it'd not be 'your' image. Do you follow?
Again. Memorize the verse. You may remain a Unit-arian for a while, but that verse will always remind you of why I am both 'Unit' and "Tri-."
I never understand fully, why Arians and conversely Modalists, don't get trinity or tri-unity. We see only one God. We see to honor the Son "just as" the Father, and that He and the Father are One, such that 'when you have seen Me, you HAVE seen the Father." It embraces the mystery of it and thus says "I see the equatedness of several, but I know from scripture there is only one. That's it. "I see these scriptures." That is all the Trinitarian view is saying. We disagree conversely because 1) you don't see Modal, and 2) Modalists don't see Jesus has a Father. I just want to embrace all of it, even if it is difficult to make sense: Therefore I'm Tri- I see the Lord Jesus Christ talking to the Father, yet clearly receiving worship. And I am -une. I clearly see that there is only one God and there is/are no others. How? I don't know, that's why I'm 'both.'
At the least, such should be understood. I think memorizing that the Son is to be honored "Just exactly as" the Father is honored, is enough for many many threads on this subject to come. I really believe the Word of God has the power to make us what God desires us to be. Memorizing it is worth more than 200 threads. -Lon
Keypurr, you made the claim that scripture says that Christ indwelled Jesus. I'm asking for that scripture.
Here are aa few verses to consider Judge:
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
Heb 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Php 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Php 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Act 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Heb 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Heb 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Heb 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Heb 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
2Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
2Co 4:5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.
This site has been good about the sharing of thoughts. We can do so without bickering and name calling. I try not to let the world led me down that road. But I am only human.
So what do we do? Throw John 5:23 out of our Bibles?To honor Jesus Christ as God would be breaking the Commandments of God and calling Jesus Christ a liar. For he tells you he is not God. He is God's Son
John 5:23 Are you too old to bend to His will?See above
TOTALLY Agree. You are talking about 'mirrors' NOT images.Your image would not be in the mirror unless you stand in front of it to create it Lon.
Is God physical? :nono: God is not created so His image cannot be 'created' either, but rather the reflection of that image is.All IMAGES are CREATIONS.
You are confusing 'image' with 'mirror' or 'photo.' The "image" is me.Save with a photo. Any reflection is just that, a reflection of the subject matter that creates it. The image you see in a mirror or photo is not you Lon, it is only an image of your.
:nono: You are trying to equate with God. :nono:I am one with the Father also but I am not God.
The Lord Jesus Christ wasn't saying that, He told Phillip John 14:9, that when you've seen Him, you have seen the Father.We are one in spirit only.
:nono: You are confusing mirrors and photos with 'image' again. The image, is the Father. "He is the 'image' of the Invisible God." Colossians 1:15 John 5:23 "That all may honor the Son 'exactly as' the honor the Father.Christ reflected the person of his Father.
A mirror is created. An image is not. An image is rather 'cast.' It has always existed as the being who casts the image. Looking into a mirror doesn't 'create' another Keypurr. It is the same guy who was born 70 years ago or so. The mirror didn't create a new or another Keypurr.Christ is a created copy (clone) of his creator, a created Godlike creature. Look at the KJV of Col 1:15, not the word "creature".
Yes, His 'flesh' was created but you know very well He had glory with His father. You actually said it a few posts ago.Here are aa few verses to consider Judge:
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
"Him" referring to the Lord Jesus Christ.Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
And not just before, but the same yesterday, today, forever.Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
. Preeminent means 'superior.' If He were not God, this wouldn't be true. You actually are posting a verse that explains the reason I am tri-une.Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence
Right, this is why neither of us are modal, well, I am as part of -une in Tri-une, but you aren't.Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
Yes, "express image" which shouldn't be confused with that which is created. Flesh? created. The Lord Jesus Christ? uncreated.Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
Heb 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Yes. the 'form of me' is me. The form of God, is God. Don't confuse images with mirrors or photographs.Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Php 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Php 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Agree. An image is the person. A mirror that reflects that image, or a photo that reflects your image, is not.Act 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Heb 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Heb 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Heb 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Heb 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
2Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
2Co 4:5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.
It is more the comment/assessment of observation.
So what do we do? Throw John 5:23 out of our Bibles?
Whatever your faith, it cannot obviously be mine. I HAVE to keep that verse in my Bible and follow it.
John 5:23 Are you too old to bend to His will?
At any rate, it has nothing to do with me. It has to do with you and the Lord Jesus Christ. I will leave you two with John 5:23
TOTALLY Agree. You are talking about 'mirrors' NOT images.
Is God physical? :nono: God is not created so His image cannot be 'created' either, but rather the reflection of that image is.
You are confusing 'image' with 'mirror' or 'photo.' The "image" is me.
:nono: You are trying to equate with God. :nono:
The Lord Jesus Christ wasn't saying that, He told Phillip John 14:9, that when you've seen Him, you have seen the Father.
:nono: You are confusing mirrors and photos with 'image' again. The image, is the Father. "He is the 'image' of the Invisible God." Colossians 1:15 John 5:23 "That all may honor the Son 'exactly as' the honor the Father.
A mirror is created. An image is not. An image is rather 'cast.' It has always existed as the being who casts the image. Looking into a mirror doesn't 'create' another Keypurr. It is the same guy who was born 70 years ago or so. The mirror didn't create a new or another Keypurr.
Yes, His 'flesh' was created but you know very well He had glory with His father. You actually said it a few posts ago.
A mirror is created, an 'image' is not.
"Him" referring to the Lord Jesus Christ.
And not just before, but the same yesterday, today, forever.
. Preeminent means 'superior.' If He were not God, this wouldn't be true. You actually are posting a verse that explains the reason I am tri-une.
Right, this is why neither of us are modal, well, I am as part of -une in Tri-une, but you aren't.
I don't believe the Father and Son are identical either. We agree on much of what we are seeing, I just don't think you are summarizing or surmising correctly.
Yes, "express image" which shouldn't be confused with that which is created. Flesh? created. The Lord Jesus Christ? uncreated.
Yes. the 'form of me' is me. The form of God, is God. Don't confuse images with mirrors or photographs.
Agree. An image is the person. A mirror that reflects that image, or a photo that reflects your image, is not.
▲He is the exact representation▲ (image) of the Father. That is why when you have seen Him, you have seen the father and exactly how they are one. You are NOT one with the Father. You have some of his qualities, but you are not the image of.
Is the Trinity biblical?
Is the Trinity taught in the Bible?
I hope there has been enough discussion here to alert people to the fact that the Trinity is very much pagan and is not taught in the Bible. Much scriptural support has been given with arguments that the Trinity is thoroughly erroneous. To believe in that subtle and spurious doctrine one must ignore an overwhelming amount of Scripture that clearly shows that it is not true, and one must place one's faith in sloppily translated verses and verses that can be taken more than one way. What is crystal clear? Jesus said that his Father is the "only true God." (John 17:3) That is open and shut, in black and white, plain as day. If God was three, Jesus would have made that clear. Instead he said that ONE Person---the Father---was God.
For an interesting conclusion to this worn-out subject, this is what Catholic writers wrote for the New Catholic Encyclopedia, 1967, Volume 14:
"It is difficult, in the second half of the 20th century, to offer a clear, objective, and straightforward account of the revelation, doctrinal evolution, and theological elaboration of the mystery of the Trinity. Trinitarian discussion, Roman Catholic as well as other, presents a somewhat unsteady silhouette.
"Two things have happened. There is the recognition on the part of exegetes and Biblical theologians, including a constantly growing number of Roman Catholics, that one should not speak of Trinitarianism in the New Testament without serious qualification. There is also the closely parallel recognition on the part of historians of dogma and systematic theologians that when one does speak of an unqualified Trinitarianism, one has moved from the period of Christian origins to, say, the last quadrant of the 4th century. It was only then that what might be called the definitive Trinitarian dogma 'one God in three Persons' became thoroughly assimilated into Christian life and thought.
"The formula itself does not reflect the immediate consciousness of the period of origins; it was a product of 3 centuries of doctrinal development."
Would someone like to explain to me why 3 centuries of developing the Trinity doctrine should override what Christ and his Apostles taught (which was nothing even hinting at 3 Persons in one God)? Why was it necessary for the Church to add two more Persons to the "Godhead" even though, as the article here asserts, that original Christian teaching did not include such a thing?
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...Would someone like to explain to me
You have only proved that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and the Holy Spirit is the power of God.Spoiler
Quite simple:
Because YOU, and they, WRESTLE with holy writ to their own destruction:
2 Corinthians 13:14 — 14 May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.
Luke 1:35 — The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.
Matthew 3:16-17 — 16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.â€
John 14:16-17 — 16 And I (Jesus Christ) will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.
Romans 14:17-18 — 17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, 18 because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and receives human approval.
Luke 3:21-22 — 21 When all the people were being baptized, Jesus was baptized too. And as he was praying, heaven was opened 22 and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.â€
(I guess Peter did not know what he was talking about either) :nono:
1 Peter 1:1-2 — 1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To God’s elect, exiles scattered throughout the provinces of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia,
2 who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to be obedient to Jesus Christ and sprinkled with his blood: Grace and peace be yours in abundance.
(I guess Paul was out of your league)
2 Corinthians 1:21-22 — 21 Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, 22 set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
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John 10:30-36 — 30 I and the Father are one.†31 Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?†33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,†they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.†34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods†’? 35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside— 36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?
If Jesus came today, the modern world would crucify Him all over again, exactly as you just did.
If Luke, Paul, Peter, etc. were to come today, the modern world would kill them also, exactly as you just did.
Spoiler
Quite simple:
Because YOU, and they, WRESTLE with holy writ to their own destruction:
2 Corinthians 13:14 — 14 May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.
Luke 1:35 — The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.
Matthew 3:16-17 — 16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”
John 14:16-17 — 16 And I (Jesus Christ) will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.
Romans 14:17-18 — 17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, 18 because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and receives human approval.
Luke 3:21-22 — 21 When all the people were being baptized, Jesus was baptized too. And as he was praying, heaven was opened 22 and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.”
(I guess Peter did not know what he was talking about either) :nono:
1 Peter 1:1-2 — 1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To God’s elect, exiles scattered throughout the provinces of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia,
2 who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to be obedient to Jesus Christ and sprinkled with his blood: Grace and peace be yours in abundance.
(I guess Paul was out of your league)
2 Corinthians 1:21-22 — 21 Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, 22 set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
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John 10:30-36 — 30 I and the Father are one.” 31 Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?” 33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.” 34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods” ’? 35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside— 36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?
If Jesus came today, the modern world would crucify Him all over again, exactly as you just did.
If Luke, Paul, Peter, etc. were to come today, the modern world would kill them also, exactly as you just did.
To them hos belong the ho patriarchs pat?r, and kai from ek them hos by kata human descent sarx came the ho Christ Christos , · ho who ho is eimi God theos over epi all pas , blessed eulog?tos for eis all ho time ai?n . Amen am?n . - Romans 9:5 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans9:5&version=MOUNCEYou have only proved that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and the Holy Spirit is the power of God.
Thank you for proving our point.
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Your pathetic attempt to show the pagan Trinity with the verses you quoted is quite laughable. You obviously didn't read my post, because you didn't respond intelligently or with dignity. How on earth can you accuse me of such nonsense when you contradict yourself while trying to prove a silly idea that Jesus claimed to be God? He is "one" with the Father just like his disciples are "one" with him and the Father. Haven't you read John 17:20-23 lately? YOU would kill Jesus because he would say even today that his Father was the only true God and He isn't a Trinity! You sad, confused little Pharisee. Do you really believe that the Pharisees were being truthful when they accused Jesus of claiming to be God? Ha! Then he immediately corrected them, which you posted in the citing of John 10:36 above! Don't you understand what you read? Your nonsense is so far out in left field that if Jesus was on Earth today he wouldn't have any idea what you were talking about. In fact, most of the churches such as your group, whatever it is, are going down into destruction very swiftly, like a millstone is around their necks.
Your pathetic attempt to show the pagan Trinity with the verses you quoted is quite laughable. You obviously didn't read my post, because you didn't respond intelligently or with dignity. How on earth can you accuse me of such nonsense when you contradict yourself while trying to prove a silly idea that Jesus claimed to be God? He is "one" with the Father just like his disciples are "one" with him and the Father. Haven't you read John 17:20-23 lately? YOU would kill Jesus because he would say even today that his Father was the only true God and He isn't a Trinity! You sad, confused little Pharisee. Do you really believe that the Pharisees were being truthful when they accused Jesus of claiming to be God? Ha! Then he immediately corrected them, which you posted in the citing of John 10:36 above! Don't you understand what you read? Your nonsense is so far out in left field that if Jesus was on Earth today he wouldn't have any idea what you were talking about. In fact, most of the churches such as your group, whatever it is, are going down into destruction very swiftly, like a millstone is around their necks.
Ha! Then he immediately corrected them, which you posted in the citing of John 10:36 above!