The Trinity

[Bright Raven]

Is anything to difficult for God?

Mark 10:27 King James Version (KJV)

27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.

John 14:17 King James Version (KJV)

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

John 14:23 King James Version (KJV)

23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Any more questions?

 

[Right Divider]

I am right. Tell me how three different and separate persons live in the saved? How does the Father's Spirit and the Son's Spirit, and the Holy Spirit all live in the saved?

They all have the same Spirit.

 

[God's Truth]

They all have the same Spirit.

That is right!

They ARE all the same Spirit.

You have just said something against the trinitarian doctrine.

The trinitarian doctrine does NOT say they all have the same Spirit.

The trinitarian doctrine says they are three separate and distinct/different Spirits but all together called God.

 

[God's Truth]

If the Three are One, you're asking the wrong question.

I am not asking the wrong question.

The trinitarians say the three are DIFFERENT and SEPARATE.

I asked in what ways are they different.

They cannot say they are different because Jesus had flesh---because God the Father did come in the flesh.

They have to show how they are different besides that.

Right Divider says they are exactly the same too when he said they have the same Spirit.

Trinitarians go against that.

 

[God's Truth]

Does anyone think that the new man, as Paul called him, is the Holy Spirit?

Ephesians 4:23to be renewed in the spirit of your minds; 24and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.

The new man is about being born again, and that means we have a new life without sins, just like a new born baby was born, we to have a new life.

In this new life where we are reconciled to God, because God Himself is living inside us, we are to think differently and feel differently, and we do that by obeying Jesus.

That is how we live through the Spirit and how the Spirit lives through us.

We are being transformed to be like Jesus.

 

[marhig]

Ephesians 4:23to be renewed in the spirit of your minds; 24and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.

The new man is about being born again, and that means we have a new life without sins, just like a new born baby was born, we to have a new life.

In this new life where we are reconciled to God, because God Himself is not living inside us, we are to think differently and feel differently, and we do that by obeying Jesus.

That is how we live through the Spirit and how the Spirit lives through us.

We are being transformed to be like Jesus.

That's great, yes it's our old man gone and we are born anew, dead to our old life and born again a new man with the life of Christ living through us, turning from sin, obeying God and doing his will, following Jesus.

Although do you mean that God is living inside us? And not that he's not living inside us.

 

[God's Truth]

Is anything to difficult for God?

Mark 10:27 King James Version (KJV)

27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.

Jesus IS God.

John 14:17 King James Version (KJV)

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Jesus is the one who was living with them and will be in them.

That scripture proves Jesus is the Holy Spirit.

John 14:23 King James Version (KJV)

23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Any more questions?

That is about giving someone the Holy Spirit. That scripture also proves they are all the same because we are all given One Spirit when we are saved.

 

[God's Truth]

That's great, yes it's our old man gone and we are born anew, dead to our old life and born again a new man with the life of Christ living through us, turning from sin, obeying God and doing his will, following Jesus.

I am glad you agree and let me know.

Although do you mean that God is living inside us? And not that he's not living inside us.

That is what I meant! lol

 

[God's Truth]

The Spirit of the Lord. The Holy Spirit. The Lord's Spirit. God's Spirit. Jesus' Spirit. Christ's Spirit. The Spirit of His Son. The Spirit of Truth. The Spirit of the Father.

All the SAME ONE SPIRIT.

 

[Bright Raven]

The Spirit of the Lord. The Holy Spirit. The Lord's Spirit. God's Spirit. Jesus' Spirit. Christ's Spirit. The Spirit of His Son. The Spirit of Truth. The Spirit of the Father.

All the SAME ONE SPIRIT.

The Spirit of the Trinity dwells within.

 

[God's Truth]

The Spirit of the Trinity dwells within.

God IS Spirit. Jesus' Spirit is the Spirit of God. The Holy Spirit is the same one and only Spirit.

 

[Bright Raven]

God IS Spirit. Jesus' Spirit is the Spirit of God. The Holy Spirit is the same one and only Spirit.

Read this. It is quite interesting.

http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/misc/covenant.html

 

[God's Truth]

Read this. It is quite interesting.

http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/misc/covenant.html

Could you speak about it here what you like about the article and agree with that you would like to use for your argument?

 

[Bright Raven]

THE INDWELLING TRINITY
At the moment of salvation, God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit take up
residence in the spirit of the Church Age believer. There has been no time before
the Church Age and afterward does God indwell every believer from the moment
of salvation. The indwelling is permanent, and it cannot be changed, remove,
stop, or render void or suspended for even a second. It will continue
uninterrupted throughout the believer’s lifetime on earth.
The indwelling of God the Father (John 14:23, Ephesians 4:6, 2 John 9):
The indwelling of God the Son (John 14:20, 17:22-23 & 26, 1 John 2:23-):
The indwelling of God the Holy Spirit (Romans 8:11, 1 Corinthians 3:16, 6:19-20,
2 Corinthians 6:16):
On the question “How can God indwell a believer?” here’s the explanation: God
is omnipresent, which involves His immanence and His transcendence
(Deuteronomy 4:39, 1 Kings 8:27, Psalm 139:7-8, Proverbs 15:3).
Immanence means His entire essence is always present everywhere so that the
whole of God is in every place (Jeremiah 23:23-24, Acts 17:27-28).
Transcendence means He is wholly independent of the created universe so that
no particular place is exclusively contains Him (Psalm 113:5-6, Isaiah 55:8-9,
John 8:23).
Immanence and transcendence exist in complete balance, so that the whole
earth is full of His glory. God is wholly in every point of the universe, while at the
same time He is exalted infinitely beyond the universe (Isaiah 6:1-3).
If God is everywhere, what does the indwelling of the believer means?
The combination of immanence and transcendence means that God is free to be
local, to have His presence at a particular “place or location” (Exodus 19:20,
24:9-18, 40:34, John 1:14). God is never restricted by time and space, and His
sovereignty can decide how He wants to indwell in these temporal and physical
dimensions.
God does not always have to be present in the same sense (as we human can
understands). When God, indwells within the creation, He dwells by His own
choice and in a manner of His own choosing. God’s sovereign decision in this
matter is remarkable expression of His love and eternal purpose for the Church
Age believers.
The indwelling of the believer is God’s local presence in a more intimate
relationship with the believer than has ever existed prior to Church Age
dispensation. This marvelous and fantastic indwelling presence within the
believer is astounding fact and basis for blessing beyond imagination.
Each member of the Trinity has a specific purpose for residing in the believer.
The indwelling of God the Father is related to the glorification of His protocol plan
(Ephesians 1; 3, 12). The Father is the Author of invisible assets, the Grantor of
escrow blessings for time and eternity.
He is the Author of the protocol plan and the designer of the divine sphere. He is
revealed indirectly through Christ by the power of the Holy Spirit. His indwelling
confirms His personal ministry to every Church Age believer.
It is necessary to understand the purpose of each member of the trinity for
indwelling the Church Age believers and the distinction of each purpose. (Ref: Dikaosune.com)

 

[God's Truth]

THE INDWELLING TRINITY
At the moment of salvation, God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit take up
residence in the spirit of the Church Age believer. There has been no time before
the Church Age and afterward does God indwell every believer from the moment
of salvation. The indwelling is permanent, and it cannot be changed, remove,
stop, or render void or suspended for even a second. It will continue
uninterrupted throughout the believer’s lifetime on earth.
The indwelling of God the Father (John 14:23, Ephesians 4:6, 2 John 9):
The indwelling of God the Son (John 14:20, 17:22-23 & 26, 1 John 2:23-):
The indwelling of God the Holy Spirit (Romans 8:11, 1 Corinthians 3:16, 6:19-20,
2 Corinthians 6:16):
On the question “How can God indwell a believer?” here’s the explanation: God
is omnipresent, which involves His immanence and His transcendence
(Deuteronomy 4:39, 1 Kings 8:27, Psalm 139:7-8, Proverbs 15:3).
Immanence means His entire essence is always present everywhere so that the
whole of God is in every place (Jeremiah 23:23-24, Acts 17:27-28).
Transcendence means He is wholly independent of the created universe so that
no particular place is exclusively contains Him (Psalm 113:5-6, Isaiah 55:8-9,
John 8:23).
Immanence and transcendence exist in complete balance, so that the whole
earth is full of His glory. God is wholly in every point of the universe, while at the
same time He is exalted infinitely beyond the universe (Isaiah 6:1-3).
If God is everywhere, what does the indwelling of the believer means?
The combination of immanence and transcendence means that God is free to be
local, to have His presence at a particular “place or location” (Exodus 19:20,
24:9-18, 40:34, John 1:14). God is never restricted by time and space, and His
sovereignty can decide how He wants to indwell in these temporal and physical
dimensions.
God does not always have to be present in the same sense (as we human can
understands). When God, indwells within the creation, He dwells by His own
choice and in a manner of His own choosing. God’s sovereign decision in this
matter is remarkable expression of His love and eternal purpose for the Church
Age believers.
The indwelling of the believer is God’s local presence in a more intimate
relationship with the believer than has ever existed prior to Church Age
dispensation. This marvelous and fantastic indwelling presence within the
believer is astounding fact and basis for blessing beyond imagination.
Each member of the Trinity has a specific purpose for residing in the believer.
The indwelling of God the Father is related to the glorification of His protocol plan
(Ephesians 1; 3, 12). The Father is the Author of invisible assets, the Grantor of
escrow blessings for time and eternity.
He is the Author of the protocol plan and the designer of the divine sphere. He is
revealed indirectly through Christ by the power of the Holy Spirit. His indwelling
confirms His personal ministry to every Church Age believer.
It is necessary to understand the purpose of each member of the trinity for
indwelling the Church Age believers and the distinction of each purpose. (Ref: Dikaosune.com)

These are the two things that stand out to me as off:

Each member of the Trinity has a specific purpose for residing in the believer.

It is necessary to understand the purpose of each member of the trinity for
indwelling the Church Age believers and the distinction of each purpose. (Ref: Dikaosune.com)[END]


Each member does NOT have a specific purpose. The Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit have the same purpose.

In addition, what you posted here does not show any grasp of the truth that God is Spirit, Jesus is Spirit, and the Holy Spirit is Spirit, and that all three are the same Spirit.

 

[Bright Raven]

These are the two things that stand out to me as off:

Each member of the Trinity has a specific purpose for residing in the believer.

It is necessary to understand the purpose of each member of the trinity for
indwelling the Church Age believers and the distinction of each purpose. (Ref: Dikaosune.com)[END]


Each member does NOT have a specific purpose. The Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit have the same purpose.

In addition, what you posted here does not show any grasp of the truth that God is Spirit, Jesus is Spirit, and the Holy Spirit is Spirit, and that all three are the same Spirit.

From Christianity today.

You also asked about the roles of all three persons of the Trinity. Here's a brief, though not complete, look:

God the Father's role is to generate things. Things originate with him and flow from him. God the Father is equal with the Son and the Holy Spirit, but things start with him. The Father sent both the Son (John 3:16-17) and Holy Spirit (John 14:26) into the world.
God the Son's role is to pay for our sins with his blood, which he did on the cross (Romans 5:9). The Son also acts as a lawyer for us before God, acting as a "mediator" between us and God (1 Timothy 2:5), and speaking "to the Father in our defense" (1 John 2:1).
God the Holy Spirit has many roles. The Spirit helps us pray (Romans 8:26-27). He gives us new life (John 3:3-6). He is our Comforter, and he helps us understand God's word (John 14:26). He lifts up Christ (John 15:26). He convicts us of sin (John 16:7-11). He helps us to live holy lives (Romans 15:16). He gives us love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control (Galatians 5:22-23). He helps us share our faith (Acts 1:8). And he lives inside us (Romans 8:11).

 

[God's Truth]

From Christianity today.
You also asked about the roles of all three persons of the Trinity. Here's a brief, though not complete, look:
God the Father's role is to generate things. Things originate with him and flow from him. God the Father is equal with the Son and the Holy Spirit, but things start with him. The Father sent both the Son (John 3:16-17) and Holy Spirit (John 14:26) into the world.

I asked for DIFFERENCES, because you said they were different.

This scripture proves Jesus was involved in the creating of the creation just as the Father was.
John 1:3 Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made.

Here are more for you:This scripture says all things are from God the Father:

1 Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live;

This scripture says all things are from Jesus:

Romans 11:36 For from him and through him and for him are all things. To him be the glory forever! Amen.

God the Son's role is to pay for our sins with his blood, which he did on the cross (Romans 5:9).

Whose blood is it?

Christ’s blood

1 Peter 1:19
but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect.

God the Father’s blood

Acts 20:28 Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.

The Son also acts as a lawyer for us before God, acting as a "mediator" between us and God (1 Timothy 2:5), and speaking "to the Father in our defense" (1 John 2:1).

The scriptures say Jesus makes intercession for us.

Hebrews 7:25 Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.

The scriptures say the Spirit intercedes for us.

Romans 8:26
In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans.

Romans 8:27
And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God.

Does that prove to you that Jesus is the Spirit?

God the Holy Spirit has many roles. The Spirit helps us pray (Romans 8:26-27).

That scripture is about the Spirit INTERCEDING for us. Please see the scriptures above that show the Holy Spirit does that, and other scriptures say that Jesus does---because none of them are separate and different.

He gives us new life (John 3:3-6).

The Father gives life, John 5:21

Jesus gives life, see 1 Corinthians 15:45 So it is written: The first man Adam became a living being; the last Adam became a life-giving Spirit.

The Spirit gives life; see 2 Corinthians 3:6.

He is our Comforter, and he helps us understand God's word (John 14:26).

The Father is also the Comforter. Jeremiah 8:18
You who are my Comforter in sorrow, my heart is faint within me.

...and the Father gives understanding, Matthew 11:25.

Jesus reveals himself, John 14:21.

...and many more.

He lifts up Christ (John 15:26).

That scriptures says, "When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father--the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father--he will testify about me.”

That says the Spirit of truth.

The Spirit of truth see John 14:16; 15:26; 16:13; 1 John 4:6; 5:6

Jesus is the Truth, see John 14:6; John 1:14, 17.

He convicts us of sin (John 16:7-11).

The scripture is about proving people wrong. Jesus did that too.

He helps us to live holy lives (Romans 15:16).

JESUS SANCTIFIES US

The blood of Jesus sanctifies us Hebrews 2:11; 10:10; 29.

THE HOLY SPIRIT SANCTIFIES US

Romans 15:16 so that the Gentiles might become an offering acceptable to God, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.

He gives us love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control (Galatians 5:22-23)

We have fruit of the Holy Spirit by the Holy Spirit, and the scriptures say by Jesus too, because they are the same.


John 15:5 "I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.

He helps us share our faith (Acts 1:8).

The Spirit will remind us of what Jesus said. Same, no difference.

And he lives inside us (Romans 8:11).

God the Father lives in believers.

God the Father lives in believers, John 14:23; Romans 8:9; 2 Corinthians 6:16, 1 Corinthians 3:16.

The Spirit of Jesus Christ lives in us.

Ephesians 3:17; Philippians 1:19.


The Holy Spirit lives in us.

The Holy Spirit lives in us, 1 Corinthians 3:16. 2 Timothy 1:14.

 

[God's Truth]

I have proved that they are interchangeable and I have proved they are the same. I proved they are NOT different, as you say, and they are not separate, as you say.

 

[Bright Raven]

I have proved that they are interchangeable and I have proved they are the same. I proved they are NOT different, as you say, and they are not separate, as you say.

You have not proved squat. Nor can you take the truth. Three persons, one God

 

[God's Truth]

You have not proved squat. Nor can you take the truth. Three persons, one God

There are three, and the three are one and the same, they are NOT different and separate, as the trinity doctrine says.