The Trinity

[Rosenritter]

"Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth." Revelation 1:4, 5

There's a difference between being ministered to by an angel or perhaps even surrounded by angels, and being possessed by an angel or having them "inside" you in a manner similar to that exercised by devils. The Holy Spirit works within us, I have never seen anything to indicate that any other spirit loyal to (but other than) God has that type of access.

 

[Rosenritter]

I think you are misunderstanding the scripture.

Many receive the Holy Spirit.

Thousands upon thousands of people receive the Holy Spirit, but that does not mean there are different Holy Spirits.

There are scripture that say 'water' and not 'waters'.

Revelation 22:17 The Spirit and the bride say, "Come!" And let the one who hears say, "Come!" Let the one who is thirsty come; and let the one who wishes take the free gift of the water of life.

John 4:10
Jesus answered, "If you knew the gift of God and who is asking you for a drink, you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water."

Revelation 21:6
And He told me, "It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give freely from the spring of the water of life.


Since there are angels who have sinned, I hardly think that Jesus puts angels in our hearts, as you have said.

(Adding to your point) due to the nature of water, "water" and "waters" are somewhat interchangeable within our language.

 

[God's Truth]

There's a difference between being ministered to by an angel or perhaps even surrounded by angels, and being possessed by an angel or having them "inside" you in a manner similar to that exercised by devils. The Holy Spirit works within us, I have never seen anything to indicate that any other spirit loyal to (but other than) God has that type of access.

I agree.

Since angels have sinned before, how is it that God would put angels in humans? I just don't see that anywhere in the Bible.

 

[Rosenritter]

I agree.

Since angels have sinned before, how is it that God would put angels in humans? I just don't see that anywhere in the Bible.

I just thought of an exception... if we assume this was a loyal spirit that was the "lying spirit in the mouth of his prophets"

1 Kings 22:20-22 KJV
(20) And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.
(21) And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him.
(22) And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.

 

[popsthebuilder]

I agree.

Since angels have sinned before, how is it that God would put angels in humans? I just don't see that anywhere in the Bible.

Hebrews: 13. 2. Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

What about that verse? Am I misunderstanding the verse or the statement that angels do not have the potential to dwell within man?

peace

 

[God's Truth]

Hebrews: 13. 2. Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

What about that verse? Am I misunderstanding the verse or the statement that angels do not have the potential to dwell within man?

peace

That scripture does not say angels dwell inside man. Do you believe that you were given the Holy Spirit of God, or an angel?

 

[God's Truth]

I just thought of an exception... if we assume this was a loyal spirit that was the "lying spirit in the mouth of his prophets"

1 Kings 22:20-22 KJV
(20) And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.
(21) And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him.
(22) And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.

Well, God did send evil spirits to some people; however, we are talking more about when one is saved and they receive the Holy Spirit, or an angel, as marhig has said.

I still don't see any scripture that implies God sends angels to live in the saved.

God says that He Himself will live in the saved.

The scriptures also say there is one divine Spirit.

 

[popsthebuilder]

That scripture does not say angels dwell inside man. Do you believe that you were given the Holy Spirit of God, or an angel?

Point taken, but if we entertain angels thinking they are men wouldn't it follow that the angels either can look like mere man/ woman, or their spirit can dwell within man/ woman.

It isn't necessarily a bad thing as only one third of the angels went against GOD and where cast into hell.

An angel of the Lord would be a wholly good thing doing only the will of GOD.

peace

 

[God's Truth]

Point taken, but if we entertain angels thinking they are men wouldn't it follow that the angels either can look like mere man/ woman, or their spirit can dwell within man/ woman.

It isn't necessarily a bad thing as only one third of the angels went against GOD and where cast into hell.

An angel of the Lord would be a wholly good thing doing only the will of GOD.

peace

We know from scripture that an angel can look exactly like a human, but there is no scripture that says the saved receive an angel to live in them.

 

[marhig]

The Trinity

I think you are misunderstanding the scripture.

Many receive the Holy Spirit.

Thousands upon thousands of people receive the Holy Spirit, but that does not mean there are different Holy Spirits.

There are scripture that say 'water' and not 'waters'.

Revelation 22:17 The Spirit and the bride say, "Come!" And let the one who hears say, "Come!" Let the one who is thirsty come; and let the one who wishes take the free gift of the water of life.

John 4:10
Jesus answered, "If you knew the gift of God and who is asking you for a drink, you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water."

Revelation 21:6
And He told me, "It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give freely from the spring of the water of life.


Since there are angels who have sinned, I hardly think that Jesus puts angels in our hearts, as you have said.

There are many verses that say "many waters" too! But there is only one word of God (water) and many rivers.

Also I'm not talking about angels that have sinned, but spirits that God trusts, those who do his will always. God doesn't give his light to sinning spirits, they are in darkness under the control of Satan.

 

[marhig]

Ephesians 4:4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called;

Ephesians 2:18
For through Him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.

There's a great example there in Ephesians 4. It says one body. But we are many that create that one body here on earth. And many create the one Spirit in heaven.

 

[marhig]

In English class, we learned the difference between the figures of speech called simile and metaphor.

A simile compares two different things, and uses the words like or as. A metaphor compares two different things, but instead of using like or as, it simply says they are.

If Jesus had said that John the Baptist was like Elijah, that would be a simile. But since he said that John the Baptist was that Elijah, it is metaphor. Surely you can tell that John the Baptist was not literally Elijah the Tishbite?

I never said that John was Elijah, John said he wasn't Elijah, yet Jesus said he was. And I believe that the spirit of Elijah was in John, ministering to him what to say.

Doesn't this ever happen to you? And I don't mean Elijah being in us, but rather we are given what to speak. It happens to me, I just speak or sometimes type what comes into my heart and the versus that I need pop into my mind and sometimes I can't type enough for what I'm trying to say. I believe that this is God giving us what we need to say.

 

[marhig]

Angels minister unto us, the heirs of salvation.

Heb 1:13-14 KJV
(13) But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
(14) Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

The ministering spirits are angels, not dead people. It's defined right there in the same passage.

I didn't say they were dead, They are living ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for those who shall be heirs of salvation, just as it says in those verses you have quoted.

 

[marhig]

Yes your right marhig the spirits you talk about are free spirits, God's helpers, as on earth as it is in heaven.

We do the right thing for God and he rewards with the freedom of life not in bondage, We leave our flesh off.

We are born with a spirit that is bound inside us which is tested everyday to see which master we serve. If we choose Saturn then our spirit will belong to the ministering spirits of him. If we choose God then the ministering spirit of God will clean your spirit like the spirit of flowing waters you are talking about.

Choose you this day what master you serve.

I think your mean Satan but yes I agree

 

[marhig]

(Adding to your point) due to the nature of water, "water" and "waters" are somewhat interchangeable within our language.

According to the Bible, water is the word of God through the Holy Spirit.

 

[marhig]

There's a difference between being ministered to by an angel or perhaps even surrounded by angels, and being possessed by an angel or having them "inside" you in a manner similar to that exercised by devils. The Holy Spirit works within us, I have never seen anything to indicate that any other spirit loyal to (but other than) God has that type of access.

Possessed by an angel? God doesn't possess us, Satan does that and gives us spirits (that we let in) that we find it hard to get rid of, and we need the Holy Spirit to help us to overcome. We receive God's Spirit willingly, and we are ministered to through faith, because we willingly lay down our lives for others to do the will of God. And God knows he can trust those who belong to him.

I don't feel possessed at all, I love receiving help and strength, and being given what I need to speak. I couldn't do it without God's help. I think possessed isn't the right word, as I see possessed as something that takes over that your don't want, and you can't get rid of. Like the devil. I don't ever want God to leave me.

 

[marhig]

Hebrews: 13. 2. Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

What about that verse? Am I misunderstanding the verse or the statement that angels do not have the potential to dwell within man?

peace

And they are also ministering spirits, so they are spirits, and who are they ministering to if not to God's people?

I truly believe that they minister into our hearts.

 

[marhig]

The Trinity

Duplicated post, sorry

 

[Notaclue]

According to the Bible, water is the word of God through the Holy Spirit.

Thanks for sharing.


Gen.7:21(N.A.S.)
All flesh that moved on the earth perished, birds and cattle and beasts and every swarming thing that swarms upon the earth, and all mankind;

:22
of all that was on the dry land, all in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, died.


breath... of the ...spirit... of ...life,
5397....................7307.......2416 (Strongs#)


Peace.

 

[marhig]

The Trinity

1 John 4

Beloved, believe not every spirit, but TRY THE SPIRITS whether THEY are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: EVERY SPIRIT that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh IS OF GOD: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Sorry for using capitals, I can't seem make the writing bold on this iPod.