lifeisgood
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Where did He say ‘It is finished’?
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Where did He say ‘It is finished’?
God's Truth
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Wow, are you kidding? Jesus' WORDS are Spirit and LIFE.
His dying on the cross and EVERYTHING he did and SAID is for us.
God's Truth
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Jesus tells us what to do to be cleaned with his blood.
Jesus taught us what is right and what is wrong.
He also taught that we had to REPENT of those wrongs and believe that his blood washes those sins away
God's Truth
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Marhig and you both are wrong.
Jesus came to earth and spoke words telling us what to do and what not to do.
THOSE words if obeyed give life.
Then Jesus died on the cross.
His blood washes us clean and we have to BELIEVE that it does.
Jesus was raised from the dead and is seated at the right hand of the Father and we must believe that because if he did not raise from the dead and ascend to heaven then how is anything true about Jesus?
lifeisgood
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Yes.
Have you sold everything you have and given it to the poor yet?
Have you started your preaching ministry starting in Jerusalem and surrounding areas yet?
Being that you say that EVERYTHING He did and said is for us.
God's Truth
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Jesus doesn't tell everyone to do that.
Since you don't sell everything you have---does that mean you don't have to do ANYTHING that Jesus says?
What don't you get that Jesus came and gave rules and regulations for the New Covenant, and then he shed his blood on the cross for the New Covenant.
Rosenritter
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You do realize that what you are disagreeing with is "the other extreme is just as valid a concern?"
Let's speak of the other extreme. When someone claims "I have everything done for me" and disregards that they are are to love and honor God, love their neighbor, love their enemies, and their heart is hardened towards others, THESE are the goats to whom Jesus speaks when he says "I never knew you, depart into everlasting fire."
The other extreme is just as valid a concern.
Rosenritter
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Where did Jesus say what the "it" was in "It is finished?" I suspect you may want to assign "his work" but that could also be "his life."
John 19:30 KJV
(30) When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
Apparently he had more to do because he came back for a while, so it would seem that he still had more work to do.
popsthebuilder
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Not to mention that it is Christ that works in the believer to this day and will continue to yet even more so.
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lifeisgood
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This is what happens when the foundation is not the same.
TO BE SAVED you, I, or anyone else for that matter, brought/bring absolutely nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing, for Jesus Christ and His work is finished/completed. Period. Salvation is totally, completely, absolutely of God.
Did you notice that Jesus did not contradict the goats’ assertions?
Did you notice that they were rejected by Him just the same? That should tell us something.
A true Christian will produce good fruit. That is not in contention here.
My contention is that some say that they MUST OBEY while they are UNbelievers so that God, by seeing their obedience while UNbelievers and God being pleased with their obedience while UNbelievers will save them.
God provided/provides the ONLY way that He will accept for anyone TO BE SAVED and that is BELIEF in Jesus Christ and His finished/completed work on the Cross of Calvary. Be it in the OT (Altar/Sacrifice) or in the NT (Jesus Christ/Cross). This is Christianity 101.
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lifeisgood
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Why is it so difficult for some to understand that when Jesus Christ and His finished/completed work on the Cross of Calvary is brought to the fore as the only way that it incorporates, He being God, His birth, His life, His works, His miracles, His sayings, His healings, His sufferings, His death (including the renting of the temple from top to bottom opening up the way to God), His burial (for three days as He predicted), His resurrection (which was a foregone conclusion), His being seated at the right hand of the Father, His promises that He will come back, etc., etc., etc. Being that God (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) provided for EVERYTHING for a UNbeliever TO BE SAVED the only thing the UNbeliever can 'do' is BELIEVE that God has provided EVERYTHING and rest.
Let me fix it, just in case.
Why is it so difficult for some to understand that when Jesus Christ and Jeus Christ's finished/completed work on the Cross of Calvary is brought to the fore it incorporates, Jesus Christ being God, Jesus Christ birth, Jesus Christ life, Jesus Christ works, Jesus Christ miracles, Jesus Christ sayings, Jesus Christ healings, Jesus Christ sufferings, Jesus Christ death (including the renting of the temple from top to bottom opening up the way to God), Jesus Christ burial (for three days as Jesus Christ predicted), Jesus Christ resurrection (which was a foregone conclusion), Jesus Christ being seated at the right hand of the Father, Jesus Christ promises that Jesus Christ will come back, etc., etc., etc. Being that God provided for EVERYTHING for a UNbeliever TO BE SAVED the only thing the UNbeliever can 'do' is BELIEVE that God has provided EVERYTHING and rest.
Just in case some do not understand that this is Christianity 101.
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lifeisgood
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Well, did not Christ Jesus promise that He would send the Comforter to abide with His children?
You talk as if Christians do not know that.
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popsthebuilder
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I talk as if many equate the works of the hands and mouths of the believers to be their own, acting like some are boasting in themselves,when in actuality it is the Holy Spirit that guides them, and GOD that gets the glory.
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Rosenritter
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That is not Christianity 101. God does not call us to rest. He does have requirements of that which we must bring.
Psa 51:16-17 KJV
(16) For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.
(17) The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.
God tells us what he does not want, and in contrast he tells what he does want.
Joh 8:10-11 KJV
(10) When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
(11) She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
There are many things God can do and has done. There are some things that he cannot do. Here's some examples:
1) He cannot make a person repent
2) He cannot make a person love God
3) He cannot make a person love their neighbor
Do you see anyplace where Jesus tells someone to "believe" and then to "do nothing?" Jesus was extreme, he told people to sell all they had and follow him. We need to be willing to lose our lives.
Mat 16:24-25 KJV
(24) Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
(25) For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
That's not doing nothing, simply believing that Jesus has done everything that ever need be done. You asked "why is it so hard to understand?" For a couple reasons. For one, when you preach against obedience, it sounds as if you advocate disobedience. For second, the way you are explaining things sounds different than the way Jesus explained things. Many times, Jesus said that there were things expected of us.
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lifeisgood
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This is what happens when different topics are melded together.
There is the topic: TO BE SAVED, which is what I am talking about.
There is the topic: ALREADY SAVED, which is what you are melding in my topic producing the above.
A UNbeliever can do absolutely nothing, and I mean nothing, TO BE SAVED.
The BEliever will produce good works because he/she is ALREADY SAVED.
Two totally completely different topics that many meld together producing confusion.
marhig
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When are you going to see that I believe in the blood of Christ, but not as you do?
marhig
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When Jesus said "it is finished" he had fulfilled the prophesies and he had overcome Satan, but that's not how we are saved. We are saved through Christ, by the grace of God through faith. And we are to endure to the end, bare whatever is set before us, live by the will of God, and keep our faith to the end, to receive eternal salvation.
marhig
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What's inappropriate about me saying that Jesus was dead? I've explained what i mean by that, he was dead to the flesh and alive in the spirit. Dead to the lusts of the flesh and sin, dead to this world, he was completely dead to self and lived completely by the will of God every minute of every day, he was dead to self but full of life and in the fullness of the living God bodily. Why is that inappropriate? It's the truth!
lifeisgood
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We were PURCHASED BY THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB, not by His life, His miracles, His healings, His teachings, etc.
We do nothing TO BE SAVED for He has done EVERYTHING in your place.
Christ and His finished/completed work on the Cross of Calvary has done it all by himself.
God (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) is satisfied with His finished/completed work on the Cross of Calvary.
Your conscience should be satisfied with Him and His finished/completed work on the Cross of Calvary also.
For the PRICE for you TO BE SAVED is the BLOOD of the Lamb. We have to come through the BLOOD.
For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were REDEEMED from the empty way of life handed down to you from your ancestors, but with the PRECIOUS BLOOD of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. (1 Peter 1:18-19).
You, marhig, are a rejecter of Jesus Christ and His finished/completed work on the Cross of Calvary.
lifeisgood
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Oh, foolish, foolish woman.
Demeaner of the Lord Jesus Christ and His finished/completed work on the Cross of Calvary.