The Trinity
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God's Truth
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I have already explained my beliefs to you and you are going to go on as if you didn't hear what I said. Why not read what I said and respond to that?
'Temptations' can be thought of as trials when the body is weak from sleep deprivation, hunger, pain, and worry. It does NOT mean he was tempted to sin every day like you are and for the things you are, for that happened in the desert.
God's Truth
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The word 'rail' also can mean 'complain', but you left that part out.
People can believe in God but their hearts aren't right because they don't obey.
Just think of the magician.
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Jesus was led in the desert TO BE TEMPTED.
Jesus was tempted in the desert when he was hungry.
He was tempted to not obey God and was also tempted with worldly desires.
Jesus did not fail when tempted.
Jesus was at many stressful times in his ministry, for instance, no place to sleep, and then before getting arrested he had the trial/temptation of not doing what the Father wanted by suffering and dying. Again Jesus did not fail. At that time Jesus told his apostles to stay awake, they did not obey him because they were sleep deprived. Jesus knew that Peter would fail and deny him three times because of fear of torture, pain and death.
You say that you are tempted to sin every day is just kind of strange to me. I wonder what kind of sin you are talking about since you compare yourself to the temptations of Jesus.
Jesus was tempted in the desert when he was hungry.
He was tempted to not obey God and was also tempted with worldly desires.
Jesus did not fail when tempted.
Jesus was at many stressful times in his ministry, for instance, no place to sleep, and then before getting arrested he had the trial/temptation of not doing what the Father wanted by suffering and dying. Again Jesus did not fail. At that time Jesus told his apostles to stay awake, they did not obey him because they were sleep deprived. Jesus knew that Peter would fail and deny him three times because of fear of torture, pain and death.
You say that you are tempted to sin every day is just kind of strange to me. I wonder what kind of sin you are talking about since you compare yourself to the temptations of Jesus.
marhig
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Where did I ever say that Jesus failed when tempted?
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The other thief on the cross also believed that Jesus was God.
However, he did not have a right heart.
Jesus tells us how to make our heart right for salvation.
With some people, with most people, this can be more of an effort.
Think of the time the magician believed.
13 Simon himself believed and was baptized. And he followed Philip everywhere, astonished by the great signs and miracles he saw.
18 When Simon saw that the Spirit was given at the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he offered them money 19 and said, “Give me also this ability so that everyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit.”
20 Peter answered: “May your money perish with you, because you thought you could buy the gift of God with money! 21 You have no part or share in this ministry, because your heart is not right before God. 22 Repent of this wickedness and pray to the Lord in the hope that he may forgive you for having such a thought in your heart. 23 For I see that you are full of bitterness and captive to sin.”
However, he did not have a right heart.
Jesus tells us how to make our heart right for salvation.
With some people, with most people, this can be more of an effort.
Think of the time the magician believed.
13 Simon himself believed and was baptized. And he followed Philip everywhere, astonished by the great signs and miracles he saw.
18 When Simon saw that the Spirit was given at the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he offered them money 19 and said, “Give me also this ability so that everyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit.”
20 Peter answered: “May your money perish with you, because you thought you could buy the gift of God with money! 21 You have no part or share in this ministry, because your heart is not right before God. 22 Repent of this wickedness and pray to the Lord in the hope that he may forgive you for having such a thought in your heart. 23 For I see that you are full of bitterness and captive to sin.”
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Leave me alone Marhig, you are making things up that I did not say.
I don't debate people who are so dishonest.
marhig
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GT, anyone who believes in Jesus doesn't act like the first thief, they act like the second one, they admit their faults, and they humble themselves. The first thief was too worried about himself and his own salvation. He didn't care for Jesus, the second thief did. Even the second thief saying to the other one, "do you not fear God," shows us that the first thief was wrong in what he was saying. He didn't believe in Jesus, he was just worried about himself, whereas the second one was selfless and has faith, and Jesus saw his heart!
marhig
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Dishonest? You said that Jesus did not fail when tempted, I have never said that he did!
God's Truth
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I never said you said Jesus failed. Prove it where I said that or examine yourself.
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You are not speaking truth.
God's Truth
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Simon is PROOF that YOU are not speaking the truth.
Simon did WHAT?
Simon BELIEVED.
Simon believed but his heart was STILL NOT RIGHT.
We have to make our heart right and REPENT OF OUR SINS.
marhig
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Then he wasn't made to be like his brethren as it says in the Bible!
Hebrews 2
Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto*his*brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things*pertaining*to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.*For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.
If he was made like his brethren, them he would have experienced what they did but without sin, and they continued with him through his temptations.
You can't tell me GT that I'm dishonest as false and whatever else you have called me, and then expect me to say nothing to you. Especially when I'm quoting the Bible!
marhig
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No but in your post it looks like I have said that! Jesus never failed, he never sinned. I just want you to know that I don't ever think that he failed. Not once! Being tempted and failing are completely different.
God's Truth
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I do believe you are dishonest.
As for Jesus being tempted to sin every day as you are that is not true.
I am not even tempted to sin like you every day, and who am I? I am a nobody.
marhig
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But the first thief didn't believe, he said IF you are the Christ," not "I know you are the Christ" he was asking him if he was! The first thief wanted a sign, to prove that Jesus was the Christ, he wanted Jesus to prove who he was by saving him. He had no faith, the second thief did that's why he was saved.
God's Truth
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You said no one who believes acts like that.
I proved you wrong when I showed you scripture about Simon.
You are argumentative and dishonest.
EE and Lon are like that too, and I try to avoid them as best I can.
There are MANY people who say they believe but then they live their lives as always.
God's Truth
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Jesus had to live in the desert, in the wilderness, and he fasted for 40 days and forty nights, just to be able to be tempted to disobey God.
You say Jesus was tempted to sin everyday as you are.
I don't agree.
I am not even tempted to sin as you are, and especially not everyday.
You say Jesus was tempted to sin everyday as you are.
I don't agree.
I am not even tempted to sin as you are, and especially not everyday.
marhig
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I'm a nobody too, but I know that Satan is everywhere and I hear him in others as well as him trying my own heart too. And I know that sometimes I fall. But hopefully not wilfully, if I carry on wilfully sinning and disobeying God then I know I'm in trouble, we are to turn from sin, but as I said I do sometimes do something wrong, and when I realise I go to God and then try and put it right if I can.
I still get people trying to tempt me to do what I have given up, and tell me that it won't hurt me and that is good for me and I'll should enjoy my life as I only live once, but I know that partaking in the sufferings of Christ brings a greater reward in this life, and the life after.
This world is nothing, and the ways of it are wrong before God. And we are to come out from among them, be in the flesh but not of the flesh, and bring those still in the world the love of God and life of Christ, and bring the gospel to those who will listen and let Christ in us do his work in saving as many by the word of God through the Spirit of truth as possible.
marhig
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Well if you met me, I hope that you'd see you were wrong about me. But judge as you will.