The Trinity

[God's Truth]

Jesus Christ and His finished/completed work at the Cross of Calvary and He placing me in Him.

Jesus' finish work is not do nothing he says to get saved.

 

[God's Truth]

Did you have your coffee yet?

I was in a hurry.

What I meant to say is:

Are any of Jesus' words for all?

 

[popsthebuilder]

No one here, to my knowledge, including myself, has said that they have never sinned.

However, I am saying that once someone is a saint, then they can no longer be called a sinner, even though they sin.

As for the rest of your post, I just quoted three passages (passages, not verses) that clearly state that "once saved always saved" (if that is indeed what you are talking about) is Biblical.

Read this again, paying close attention to verse 10.

Yes, we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves but in God who raises the dead,who delivered us from so great a death, and does deliver us; in whom we trust that He will still deliver us, - 2 Corinthians 1:9-10 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Corinthians1:9-10&version=NKJV

Indeed. I agree wholly. That is why there is repentance.

Tell me; what is available for the believer
who knowingly continues in sin?

I'll give you a hint; you can't crucify Him again.

((you) within this context I have set here does not literally or specifically denote you anymore than it does me.


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[popsthebuilder]

Stop beating around the bush, Pops. Tell me what knowing sin I am guilty of committing. :chew:

I have no clue.

If I cared to guess I'd say at least as many as me seeing as how you seem to think it is OK and it doesn't seem to affect your conscience.

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[God's Truth]

Oh, foolish, foolish man if you are a man. Oh, foolish, foolish woman, as gt, if you are a woman.

Where in what glorydaz said did she say what YOU concluded? You should get off gt's gravy train, is not good for your comprehension.

You know how Mormons don't think their beliefs are strange, but we know they are? That is the way I feel about your beliefs. It is like how did you ever come up with not obeying is the secret ticket?

 

[popsthebuilder]

It seems you're the one who is unable to comprehend the power of God's workmanship in those who are HIS.
It's hard for you to believe, because you have not yet been created IN CHRIST JESUS. What is abundantly clear to the true believer is impossible for you to understand. Your doubt speaks volumes.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Galatians 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.​

]2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Exactly.


Galatians 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

This is speaking of the circumcision by the hands of man, and how it is not at all equal to the circumcision of the Spirit, which, by the way, is a change in heart and repentance.

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[God's Truth]

You teach that what Jesus said is for all. Not me.

So which is it, GT, is all of what Jesus said during His earthly ministry intended for everyone? Or is all of what He said NOT intended for everyone?

I teach that what Jesus said to Israel was meant for Israel, and that what He gave to Paul to preach to the world was meant for the world.

Unbelievable. You think Jesus taught things that we cannot use.

 

[God's Truth]

Nobody is promoting to keep on sinning. You just don't understand Jesus Christ and His finished/completed work on the Cross of Calvary and He placing us in Him.

Would you just make your home with anyone? Have you ever had company come and stay with you for awhile and you not clean your house in preparation for them?

Jesus says that he and the Father comes and makes their home with those who obey.

You keep going against Jesus' words and saying they were only for the Jews.

His words are life ALWAYS and FOREVER to EVERYONE.

 

[God's Truth]

I am dead to sin. It's impossible to "continue in knowing sin" when one has been delivered from the law and has been created IN CHRIST. I realize it's frustrating for the natural man to hear these facts. Rather than get angry at me, though, you should spend time in the word of God and pray for understanding.

No one who is in Christ and obeys would be against those who obey and preach obedience.

 

[God's Truth]

No, you mean 'just believe me.' Most of us understand them better than you do. You should 'read' the scriptures more often than you do.

Just believe the scriptures.

Don't add to it; don't take away from it; don't read between the lines; don't assume; just believe exactly what the Word says.

 

[Veritas veritate]

Animals don't merely have a soul. They are souls. Same as people in that regard.

Numbers 31:28 KJV
(28) And levy a tribute unto the LORD of the men of war which went out to battle: one soul of five hundred, both of the persons, and of the beeves, and of the *****, and of the sheep:

See? Persons, cattle, *****, and sheep, all of these are souls. That's the scriptural application of the word.
Animals do make choices, but their choices are extremely limited in scope. I'd be willing to accept your assumption that animals are not made in the image of God for the sake of argument.

Thank you, but it is not an assumption. You made the assumption that they are when the original Hebrew does not have the word "both," nor does it have punctuation. Punctuation was inserted in the English translations and are constantly being updated. A closer translation using Hebrew grammar would be: "And levy a tribute unto the LORD, a tribute of the men of war which went out to battle: one soul of five hundred of the persons, and a tribute of the beeves, and a tribute of the *****, and a tribute of the sheep." We know for sure that this is closer to the original because of the context in which the word is used throughout all of scripture, especially the writings of Moses.

However, the angelic host of heaven was present when God had created the world, and its animals, and then spoke, saying, "Let us make man in our image."

Job 38:4-7 KJV
(4) Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
(5) Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
(6) Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
(7) When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

God, having an image, and angels, being created in a form after that image, does make a plural factor that God, the LORD of hosts, addresses when he says, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness" (Genesis 1:26). Were the angels present (and Job tells us they were) then they are present when God speaks to them, implying that they too bear the image of God.

Isaiah 44:24 KJV
(24) Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

A singular God, but can speak to the inclusive plural (us and our) once you add the hosts of heaven. "Our image" implies a shared image. Thus, I think it is a fairly safe deduction that angels are also in the image of God.

Are you really going to argue against me on this point after the stance you made with NWL? Just as Son of God in the NT denotes position of authority, So it does in the OT as well. Look at Psalms 8:5 and Hebrews 2:7,9. It was clearly used as a position of authority in Job. "Our image" in Genesis is talking about God, if it meant anything more than what it says, it would say it, all of the writings of Moses are straight forward, why would the first chapter of Genesis be the only one that is not?. It is never safe to deduct, assume, or infer anything that is not explicitly implied by every context available.

Furthermore, you cannot pick and choose what is figurative and what is literal. Do you really think that I haven't considered the passage in Job? Look at verse 7 again. You cannot claim that "the Son's of God" was meant literally just after a figurative personification of the morning stars was made.

I will grant you that you are smarter than most I have come across, and know grammar and how to read much better than most who argue on TOL, but it seems that you pick and choose where you read most carefully. You are still reading personal inferences into the text like most modern "New Testament Christians."

 

[God's Truth]

It is okay to consider the eternal creator GOD of all creation and existence any respectful symbol or combination there of so long is it indeed represents the One Creator GOD.

Is it blasphemy to consider GOD to exude more feminine characteristics; compassion, love, nurture? Also there are obvious male characteristics that can be discerned from the perceivable aspects of GOD within the physical life of man as well. I don't think there is much of a need in claiming GOD to be male or female; from the understanding of man it takes both to produce children, yet GOD is One GOD, so when being technical, I would have to insist no sex be affiliated with the Spirit of GOD for me personally, or rather both in unison.

I don't understand when someone says more feminine characteristics. A man can be just as loving and gentle and still be a strong warrior and hunter, etc. Look at how sensitive and loving Paul was. Why call someone loving feminine? God is called Father, and not Mother.
Jesus is a male and says how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing.

I don't find it to be a needed dividing line between us, and hope you do not either.

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No, I do not think it divides us, and so glad you feel the same way.

 

[glorydaz]

Could you please provide scripture saying we are hid in Christ? Thank you in advance.

Well, all BELIEVERS are. There is no "maybe", either, that we SHALL APPEAR WITH HIM IN GLORY.

Colossians 3:2-4
Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.​

 

[glorydaz]

Just believe the scriptures.

Don't add to it; don't take away from it; don't read between the lines; don't assume; just believe exactly what the Word says.

Right....like "Jesus is the Father" and "Jesus is Israel". :rotfl:

 

[God's Truth]

Right....like "Jesus is the Father" and "Jesus is Israel". :rotfl:

Israel is called the Firstborn. Jesus is the Firstborn.

Jesus says when you see him, you can say you see the Father.

 

[glorydaz]

I have no clue.

If I cared to guess I'd say at least as many as me seeing as how you seem to think it is OK and it doesn't seem to affect your conscience.

You do "care to guess", though, don't you? The very fact that you spend even one minute of your time imagining what others may be doing in their lives, shows your affections are set ....not on things above, but on things of this earth. You're like the little boy that lives in the dirt of the world, in the back alley, and imagines the children in the house of God are as dirty as your are. They aren't concerned about dirt at all, because they trust God to conform them into the image of the Son. It is a work of the Spirit....not a work of man.

 

[God's Truth]

You do "care to guess", though, don't you? The very fact that you spend even one minute of your time imagining what others may be doing in their lives, shows your affections are set ....not on things above, but on things of this earth. You're like the little boy that lives in the dirt of the world, in the back alley, and imagines the children in the house of God are as dirty as your are. They aren't concerned about dirt at all, because they trust God to conform them into the image of the Son. It is a work of the Spirit....not a work of man.

YOU have to do the work. God doesn't do it for you. God wills you to want to, but you still have to do it. God wills you to want to, but you can still go against Him.

So how can you go against others preaching obedience?

 

[glorydaz]

]2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Exactly.


Galatians 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

This is speaking of the circumcision by the hands of man, and how it is not at all equal to the circumcision of the Spirit, which, by the way, is a change in heart and repentance.

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Repentance is a change of mind....from unbelief to belief.


AND it's called the OPERATION OF GOD for a reason. It's a work of the Spirit...not a work of man. We cannot take any credit for "a change in heart", and if we do, we are fools.


If you actually understood what that means, you would not be accusing believers of sin at all. Nor would you be accusing them of "knowingly sinning". The fact that you do so, proves you do not believe God is able to perform His work in us. Your trust is in your own doing...just as all workers are trusting in themselves to perform. That is nothing be a complete LACK OF FAITH.

 

[God's Truth]

Repentance is a change of mind....from unbelief to belief.


AND it's called the OPERATION OF GOD for a reason. It's a work of the Spirit...not a work of man. We cannot take any credit for "a change in heart", and if we do, we are fools.


If you actually understood what that means, you would not be accusing believers of sin at all. Nor would you be accusing them of "knowingly sinning". The fact that you do so, proves you do not believe God is able to perform His work in us. Your trust is in your own doing...just as all workers are trusting in themselves to perform. That is nothing be a complete LACK OF FAITH.

You are the one who keeps accusing people of sinning.

As for the word 'repent', we have to repent of our sins, not just change our mind about God; not just change your mind about a God some never even heard of.

 

[glorydaz]

YOU have to do the work. God doesn't do it for you. God wills you to want to, but you still have to do it. God wills you to want to, but you can still go against Him.

So how can you go against others preaching obedience?

And what work is it your do? You get on here and preach man must earn his own salvation.

May God have mercy on your soul. It would be better for you to cut off your hand than to lead others to hell with you.