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You do realize she's not into labels don't yuh?
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You do realize she's not into labels don't yuh?
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Only her choice man made label called trinity. ha
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God is great big isn't He? (Bigger than the sun which is the source of all light and power).
Now she's talking to you like a four year old grandson.
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Hi!
And, if only the three are one and they are all God, then I have a question, how does the following work?
John 17
Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
Rosenritter is a modalist. He does not believe the three exist at the same time.
Jesus is God the Father with a physical body, and there are three, and the three do exist at the same time.
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a dalmation calling a leopard spotty --- so I read someplace else.
Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, - Matthew 28:19 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew28:19&version=NKJV
According to the Granville-Sharp rule, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are three distinct persons in that verse, yet it says "name," singular. One name, three persons. If that's not an indication that God is triune, I don't know what is.
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Sounds like the Covenant of Law, to me. GT, are Christians under law or under grace?
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GT, are Christians under Law or under Grace?
What group of people was the book of James written to?
Go read Genesis 15. Then read Genesis 17. Tell me what the difference is.
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Permit me to respond by way of question and analogy. Is my hand my foot? Is my head my hand? Can all of these (head hand and foot) be the same person? Yes, they can. Could this be confusing to something small enough that has only seen a small part at any time? Yes, it could.
When I went to check for specific instances, it seemed that "The Father" is the term Jesus used to refer to God in heaven, but it wasn't used as an address for God before that (not without counting Isaiah 9:6, which would give the Son of God that name as well.) So not sure what your specific question is per John 17, but do you have any thing that would prevent God from being in more than one place at the same time?
In other words, is there a problem for God to be both in heaven, and on earth, at once?
Or is it possible for one part of God to operate with complete knowledge and power, and another part with limited knowledge and power?
Because for both of the above I could illustrate how even your physical body could do such. God has Godlike capabilities.
When I went to check for specific instances, it seemed that "The Father" is the term Jesus used to refer to God in heaven, but it wasn't used as an address for God before that (not without counting Isaiah 9:6, which would give the Son of God that name as well.) So not sure what your specific question is per John 17, but do you have any thing that would prevent God from being in more than one place at the same time?
In other words, is there a problem for God to be both in heaven, and on earth, at once?
Or is it possible for one part of God to operate with complete knowledge and power, and another part with limited knowledge and power?
Because for both of the above I could illustrate how even your physical body could do such. God has Godlike capabilities.
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And, if only the three are one and they are all God, then I have a question, how does the following work?
John 17
Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
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In Genesis he is speaking to his angels. By the time you get to Day Six the angels are already part of the equation (and would also be creations in the image of God.) We are told elsewhere that the angels shouted for joy to see the world made. God does talk to his angels - we even have passages where he lets them decide what actions he will take to deal with problems on earth. If US President says "Let's pass this executive order into law" he is speaking to more than himself, even if he is the only person involved in the action. If US President says "Let's invade Canada" he makes the decision, but orders multiple soldiers into action. In both cases he speaks for the sake of his audience, but the plural is because he represents (leads) many.
In those passages in John there is nothing that makes God multiple people or personalities. Jesus does speak in analogies and symbolism. He speaks of God as "the Father" in heaven and as "God as his Father" when we also know that he is God and as God has no actual father. He calls himself "the bread of life" and says that to live we must eat his flesh and drink his blood.
1) Does Jesus come out of God? yes, as God born into flesh (with limitations on experience and power) that would be accurate
2) Does Jesus come forth out of the Father? As Jesus uses "the Father" to represent God in heaven, and as Jesus is the Logos (the explanation in front of us) of whom God is, as the visible image of God, then also yes. If you have seen Jesus, you have seen the Father.
3) Did Jesus go back to the Father? Yes, he did. He ascended to heaven, and as such there was no more Son of God on earth. As "Son of God" means "God in the flesh" that title ceases to be applicable when God is no longer in the flesh among us.
Are Jesus and the Father the same? It depends on what you mean by "same." If you mean "the same person in character and personality" then I would say yes. The different designations are used for our relation to God. "The Father" is always "in heaven", "the Son of God" walked the earth with us, "the Holy Spirit" is Spirit (and not manifested in flesh) by definition, but works with us on earth invisibly. At least that seems to be the pattern. If you know of exceptions I would like to see them.
In those passages in John there is nothing that makes God multiple people or personalities. Jesus does speak in analogies and symbolism. He speaks of God as "the Father" in heaven and as "God as his Father" when we also know that he is God and as God has no actual father. He calls himself "the bread of life" and says that to live we must eat his flesh and drink his blood.
1) Does Jesus come out of God? yes, as God born into flesh (with limitations on experience and power) that would be accurate
2) Does Jesus come forth out of the Father? As Jesus uses "the Father" to represent God in heaven, and as Jesus is the Logos (the explanation in front of us) of whom God is, as the visible image of God, then also yes. If you have seen Jesus, you have seen the Father.
3) Did Jesus go back to the Father? Yes, he did. He ascended to heaven, and as such there was no more Son of God on earth. As "Son of God" means "God in the flesh" that title ceases to be applicable when God is no longer in the flesh among us.
Are Jesus and the Father the same? It depends on what you mean by "same." If you mean "the same person in character and personality" then I would say yes. The different designations are used for our relation to God. "The Father" is always "in heaven", "the Son of God" walked the earth with us, "the Holy Spirit" is Spirit (and not manifested in flesh) by definition, but works with us on earth invisibly. At least that seems to be the pattern. If you know of exceptions I would like to see them.
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"Let us make man in Our Image"
So man was made in the image of angels too?
No. This is the origin of the "royal we."
Or do you think that Moses, being very well educated, made a grammatical mistake in the very first verse of the Bible?
"In the beginning, Gods (Elohim) created the heavens and the earth."
"Elohim" (Strong's 430) is the plural form of "God."
"Elowahh" (Strong's 433) is the singular.
"El" (Strong's 410) is also singular.
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Ah, sorry for the lash-back.
Technically, "Unitarian" should mean "belief in One God" which should include most everyone here. But in practical application Unitarian really means "I believe in One God as long as Jesus isn't that God."
I would be happy if labels were simply abandoned here. That's more of my point than anything else. Isn't is sufficient to ask:
"Do you believe Jesus is the Son of God, the creator of all things, come in the flesh, who died and perished for our sins, rose again, and will return again to judge the world?"
Technically, "Unitarian" should mean "belief in One God" which should include most everyone here. But in practical application Unitarian really means "I believe in One God as long as Jesus isn't that God."
I would be happy if labels were simply abandoned here. That's more of my point than anything else. Isn't is sufficient to ask:
"Do you believe Jesus is the Son of God, the creator of all things, come in the flesh, who died and perished for our sins, rose again, and will return again to judge the world?"
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You exalt yourself too much.
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Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, - Matthew 28:19 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew28:19&version=NKJV
According to the Granville-Sharp rule, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are three distinct persons in that verse, yet it says "name," singular. One name, three persons. If that's not an indication that God is triune, I don't know what is.
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Can you take the time to condense?
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You are dismissing Jesus' words. How much more evil can you get?
Jesus came with grace, Moses came with the old law.
Condense? I gave one scripture verse and wrote 3 sentences. How much more condensed can you get?
Please don't evade my question, GT.
Are Christians under the Covenant of Law (Genesis 17)? or are they under the Covenant of Grace (Genesis 15)?