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meshak said:
So you just dismiss what Jesus says because Paul says differently?
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Paul does not say differently.

Galatians 1:11-13 King James Version (KJV)

11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:
 
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drbrumley said:
Honestly, I am bewildered by that question. The soul will live forever in either Heaven or Hell. The soul will never die. Are you not calling that cruelty?
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A soul is a body made a live by it's spirit. When our physical body dies, our spirit will go to heaven or to prison/hell. The resurrected body will live forever. As I am sure you already know.
 
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drbrumley said:
No, I dont dismiss Jesus word on the matter. Especially when Paul AGREES with Jesus.
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Here is Jesus' word which do not harmonize with your quoting of Paul's:

Jesus said, "And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." (Matthew 10:28)
 
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meshak said:
Here is Jesus' word which do not harmonize with your quoting of Paul's:

Jesus said, "And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." (Matthew 10:28)
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Sorry, but let Jesus correct you..

Matthew 25:46

"And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Obviously you have been mistaken...
 
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drbrumley said:
Sorry, but let Jesus correct you..

Matthew 25:46

"And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Obviously you have been mistaken...
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It seems that eternal punishment means perish or death. That's how I interpret. I interpret contextually and logically.

eternally torture does not make sense at all with loving God..

sorry, I cannot compromise to your version.
 
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meshak said:
It seems that eternal punishment means perish or death. That's how I interpret. I interpret contextually and logically.

eternally torture does not make sense at all with loving God..

sorry, I cannot compromise to your version.
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But your NOT BEING LOGICAL!!!!!

Look at THAT verse AGAIN. We have TWO eternal's right? Life and Punishment! Jesus says Eternal Life. The same word used for eternal in Eternal Life is the same word for eternal Punishment. THE SAME WORD!!!! Now tell me how your within context? Because you are not even in the same Zip Code
 
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meshak said:
Yes, I am being logical and contextual.

Cruel god is not just and loving god you seem to worship.

My God is loving God, not cruel or sadistic god.

I will not budge from this position.

good day.
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Boy, your going to be for a BIG SURPRISE when God comes a calling....

See ya!
 
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drbrumley said:
You don't know or understand the English language very well do you? It's ok if you don't, I don't know or understand the Japenese language very well
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Is that what you say to your opposes that they don't understand their own language too?

I am not the only one who are non-trin. And I am not the only one that don't believe in everlasting torment. Many of them are English speakers.
 
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