The Trinity

The Trinity


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NWL

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You make the error of thinking that I care what you think. :chuckle:

And you make the error of thinking I thought that you cared what I think. You believe you have the truth, I have demonstrated once again that you do not, truth does not care about feelings, thoughts or emotions, what you have written goes contrary to the truth, anyone who has an honest heart that reads our posts will see what you said is in error and what I have said is consistent with scripture, and that my friend is all that really matters.
 

Bright Raven

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And you make the error of thinking I thought that you cared what I think. You believe you have the truth, I have demonstrated once again that you do not, truth does not care about feelings, thoughts or emotions, what you have written goes contrary to the truth, anyone who has an honest heart that reads our posts will see what you said is in error and what I have said is consistent with scripture, and that my friend is all that really matters.

You consistently err in God's Word.
 

NWL

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Did somebody ask you why you do anything? I assure you, I didn't. I already know bears dump in the woods, too. And emotional? LOL! You actually think you have any such power over me? If hell is sleep, and if I were to read more than a fragment of the inane and endless blather false prophets like you write, correction, disciples of false prophets like you write, as you have approximately zero creativity of your own, Charles Russell and the Watchtower Society in, garbage out, like clockwork, in any case, if I paid you half a mind, I'd be soul sleeping in hell, now. You and all your ilk just bore the hades out of me and make a landfill of message boards. And you know why? Because nobody really wants to hear your crap, in the real world. It has to be so desperate for you cult guys that you can't even discuss it among yourselves, that you need to be trolling fundamentalist Christians, but so very blind that you are never, ever going to pervert a child of the Spirit of Christ, with your silly, stupid and evil doctrines that contradict the clear word of God. In fact, is that duh or what? Have you noticed nobody is buying what you're selling? (Of course not...) I do feel a little sorry for you, but that's about all she wrote. Honestly. Emotional? Yawn.

As to growing up, no thanks to that, also, as the Lord Jesus, that is the great I am of the burning bush, the Word of God, Almighty God and Jehovah of the Old Testament, the eternal God, Jesus Christ, that came from eternity and down to man, that we not all be utter lying fools, as too many are yet content to be, said thus:

Matthew 18:2-3 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, and said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 19:13-14 Then were there brought unto him little children, that he should put his hands on them, and pray: and the disciples rebuked them. But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.


That's got to trump being a full grown devil, a proponent of horrible lies, a prophet of the doctrines of deceitful men and women, which are the doctrines of demons and hell. Just sayin'.

'You're not emotional' says the one who just wrote out an entire paragraph groaning about a person and religion they apparently do not care about. You accuse me of much, yet do not bring a single shred of evidence, just as your previous claim was empty so too is this response. Believe it or not, as a fully grown-up adult you can simply ignore the post, threads, and forums you cannot bear but read and look at, I hope you do and find peace as I really do not have time to deal with your issues which aren't real issues.
 

Clete

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And you make the error of thinking I thought that you cared what I think. You believe you have the truth,
Your lies are like glass.

You care you'd not have said what you said.

I have demonstrated once again that you do not, truth does not care about feelings, thoughts or emotions, what you have written goes contrary to the truth, anyone who has an honest heart that reads our posts will see what you said is in error and what I have said is consistent with scripture, and that my friend is all that really matters.
You've demonstrated nothing but that you've been fully indocttrinated and are incapable of independant thought.
 

7djengo7

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You believe you have the truth, I have demonstrated once again that you do not,

To whom have you demonstrated what you've asserted? Obviously you've not demonstrated it to Clete. Obviously you've not demonstrated it to me. Obviously you've not demonstrated it to any Trinitarian.

I guess all that is left to you is that you can pretend to somehow find satisfaction in telling yourself that you've demonstrated to yourself your anti-Christ falsehood.

anyone who has an honest heart that reads our posts will see what you said is in error and what I have said is consistent with scripture, and that my friend is all that really matters.

By your phrase, "anyone who has an honest heart", all you mean is anyone who is, as you are, a thrall of Satan through his anti-Christ, Russellite, Arian Watchtower Society.
 

NWL

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You've demonstrated nothing but that you've been fully indocttrinated and are incapable of independant thought.

As you have said to others 'Saying it doesn't make it so', it is both pointless and pitiful of you to claim that I've demonstrated nothing, as what I demonstrated proved the thing things you said to be false and inconsistent. Unless you are able to back up what you claim then your assertions are empty and prove nothing.
 

Clete

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As you have said to others 'Saying it doesn't make it so', it is both pointless and pitiful of you to claim that I've demonstrated nothing, as what I demonstrated proved the thing things you said to be false and inconsistent. Unless you are able to back up what you claim then your assertions are empty and prove nothing.

I haven't merely made the accusation. There is an entire thread here for the entire world to read, a good portion of which I have written myself, not that I would have needed to!

I'm constantly amazed how people just seem to forget that these threads don't just vanish into non-existence simply because we've come more than two or three posts from where someone got their entire theological construct smashed into rubble.
 

Trump Gurl

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Trinitarianism is taught in the bible if you accept the Catholic insertions as opposed to the original script.

lol right. And Trump is a secret Russian agent too. lol

Those darn Catholics, always sneaking stuff in. Of course you would know right? because you have a super duper secret original Bible that nobody knows about. lol. Because if you had the same Bible as everyone else then how would you know!

Nobody snuck anything in Mr. Rogers. God is the Holy Trinity. That is just a fact.
 

way 2 go

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Let's get back on topic. Is the Trinity biblical and is it taught in the Bible?
Is the Trinity biblical , yes , from the first verse but concealed
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God

taught in the bible , Pro_25:2

Pro_25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal things, but the glory of kings is to search things out.
 

Trump Gurl

Credo in Unum Deum
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Could you elaborate on who the "fringe" groups are?


JW's for one.

I saw it well stated by another member: Christianity is basically divided into three branches: Protestant, Catholic, and Orthodox, and despite their differences they all believe in the Trinity. All Christians believe in the Trinity. Therefore any little group outside of that whole is by definition a fringe group.
 

Bright Raven

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JW's for one.

I saw it well stated by another member: Christianity is basically divided into three branches: Protestant, Catholic, and Orthodox, and despite their differences they all believe in the Trinity. All Christians believe in the Trinity. Therefore any little group outside of that whole is by definition a fringe group.

JW's are not Christians. They are a cult. They do not believe that Jesus is God. They believe He is another lesser god.
 

oatmeal

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In Judaism, the idea of God as a duality or trinity is heretical.

In the only codices which would be even likely to preserve an older reading, namely the Sinaitic Syriac and the oldest Latin Manuscript, the pages are GONE which contained the end of Matthew 28. Frederick Cornwallis Conybeare (1856 - 9 January 1924) Professor of Theology at the University of Oxford.

Here is the oldest recorded document of Matthew 28:19.

"The Demonstratio Evangelica" by Eusebius:
Eusebius of Caesarea. 265 ? AD.– 337 ? AD.


Eusebius was the Church historian and Bishop of Caesarea. On page 152 Eusebius quotes the early book of Matthew that he had in his library in Caesarea. Eusebius informs us of Yahshua's actual words to his disciples in the original text of Matthew 28:19.

Quote: "With one word and voice He said to His disciples: "Go, and make disciples of all nations in My Name, teaching them to observe all...

And again Eusebius for example, in Book III of his History, Chapter 5, Section 2, which is about the Jewish persecution of early Christians, we read:

"But the rest of the disciples, who had been incessantly plotted against with a view to their destruction, and had been driven out of the land of Judea, went to all nations to preach the good news, relying upon the power of Christ, who had said to them, "Go ye and make disciples of all the nations in my name."


And again, in his Oration in Praise of Emperor Constantine, Chapter 16, Section 8, we read:

"What king or prince in any age of the world, what philosopher, legislator or prophet, in civilized or barbarous lands, has attained so great a height of excellence, I say not after death, but while living still, and full of mighty power, as to fill the ears and tongues of all mankind with the praises of his name?
Surely none save our only Savior has done this, when, after his victory over death, he spoke these words to his followers, and fulfilled it by that event, saying to them, "Go ye and make disciples of all nations in my name."

There is not a single occurrence of the disciples baptizing anyone using the Trinitarian formula. All of the scripture in the New Testament shows that people were baptized into the name of Jesus, even after Pentecost.

And when people in church leadership received the Holy Spirit, it was without the Trinitarian formula as in Acts 8:17.
Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.

Trinity related

Acts 20:28 Holman bible foot note. Other mss read church of the Lord; other mss read church of the Lord and God

Acts 20:28 NIV foot note. Many manuscripts: “of the Lord” 28Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers.(a) Be shepherds of the church of God,(b) which he bought with his own blood.

1 Timothy 3:16 Holman bible foot note. Other mss read God
1 Timothy 3:16 NIV foot note. Some manuscripts God

1 Timothy 3:16 (New International Version)16Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great:
He(a) appeared in a body,(b)
was vindicated by the Spirit,
was seen by angels,
was preached among the nations,
was believed on in the world,
was taken up in glory.
Footnotes:
a. 1 Timothy 3:16 Some manuscripts God
b. 1 Timothy 3:16 Or in the flesh


1 John 3:16 In this we have known the charity of God, because he hath laid down his life for us:...

The words (of God) are not in the original text of 1 John 3:16, but have been added.

NIV 1 John 5
6 This is the one who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. 7 For there are three that testify: 8 the[a] Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.

NIV Footnotes:
a.1 John 5:8 Late manuscripts of the Vulgate testify in heaven: the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one. And there are three that testify on earth: the (not found in any Greek manuscript before the fourteenth century)

KJV 1 John 5:6
This is he that came by water and blood, Jesus Christ: not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit which testifieth, that Christ is the truth. 7And there are three who give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one.

1 John 5:7 implicitly states that all THREE are ONE.

This is the only verse in the Bible that explicitly states that all three persons are one.
Unfortunately, it was added to that verse.
No earlier version includes that last phrase about them being one.

The first 2 additions of Erasmus' master Greek text did not have this.
Stunica (a Catholic authority) demanded that he include the phrase.
Erasmus told Stunica that if he could provide one Greek manuscript with that phrase, he would include it.
But no Greek manuscripts up to that time had it.
Only Latin manuscripts had it. So Stunica had a Greek manuscript made up from the Latin and forced Erasmus to include it.

In 1514, before Erasmus had even begun to edit his text, but its publication was delayed until 1522, until permission of Pope Leo X had finally been obtained for it.

"The supreme Pontiff Leo X, Our Most Holy Father in Christ and Lord, desiring to favour this undertaking, sent from the apostolic library."

This claim seems to have been accepted by all at that time.
In view of its inclusion in the Clementine edition of the Latin Vulgate (1592), in 1897 the Holy Office in Rome, a high ecclesiastical congregation, made an authoritative pronouncement, approved and confirmed by Pope Leo XIII, that it is not safe to deny that this verse is an authentic part of St. John's Epistle.

Good job!
 
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