ECT The Time of the Gentiles

[Danoh]

There is truth in what you say.

However your insistence that Israel is not the continuance of the faithful among the nations since their scattering of all dispersions, and your concentration on the unbelievers descendants of Judaism, hides much truth from you, as does your rejection of Acts ch 1 and 2for the beginning of the Church sent among all nations from where they shall be gathered from..

LA

Consider that this unbelieving Judaism you see in my post is your reading into my above, as is the balance of your post.

Its best, when dealing with a Dispy, or anyone else, for that matter, that you endeavour to find out from the particular individual what their view is on one thing or another.

As with anyone else, Dispys may not hold to the specifics of any one thing in the same way as another Dispy. How they approach words, a text, this, that, the other, will be subject to what the particular individual brings to the table.

In this, your response appears the same old same old that because what you read in another's post does not align with what you hold to, it is therefore off.

When in fact, the difference is in where we are each looking at things from, what we each include, or fail to, and what we each think we are actually looking at as a result, in contrast to, what is actually in front of us.

Thus, the unbelieving Judaism, and all the rest you concluded, is your conclusion. You might consider that as being the case.

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

Consider that this unbelieving Judaism you see in my post is your reading into my above, as is the balance of your post.

Its best, when dealing with a Dispy, or anyone else, for that matter, that you endeavour to find out from the particular individual what their view is on one thing or another.

As with anyone else, Dispys may not hold to the specifics of any one thing in the same way as another Dispy. How they approach words, a text, this, that, the other, will be subject to what the particular individual brings to the table.

In this, your response appears the same old same old that because what you read in another's post does not align with what you hold to, it is therefore off.

When in fact, the difference is in where we are each looking at things from, what we each include, or fail to, and what we each think we are actually looking at as a result, in contrast to, what is actually in front of us.

Thus, the unbelieving Judaism, and all the rest you concluded, is your conclusion. You might consider that as being the case.

That is totally laughable.

The believer is now an Israelite.

This is something all Dispy's consider false.

But know this.

The same thing that happened to the Israelites will happen in every believer's life if they live long enough.

The previous scriptures are about Jerusalem learning a lesson after they think they are safe.

 

[Lazy afternoon]

That is totally laughable.

The believer is now an Israelite.

This is something all Dispy's consider false.

But know this.

The same thing that happened to the Israelites will happen in every believer's life if they live long enough.

The previous scriptures are about Jerusalem learning a lesson after they think they are safe.

True.

1Co 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
1Co 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
1Co 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
1Co 10:5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
1Co 10:6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
1Co 10:7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
1Co 10:8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
1Co 10:9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
1Co 10:10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
1Co 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

1Co 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

LA

 

[iamaberean]

Luke 21:20-24 20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. 22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. 24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.​

Jerusalem surrounded by armies.
Great distress in the land of Judea.
The people of Judea led away captive into all nations.

This is the description of the times of the Gentiles.

Was this prophecy fulfilled a long time ago, is the prophecy being fulfilled, or will the prophecy be fulfilled some time in the future?

It was fulfilled shortly after the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple. History tells us the Romans surrounded Jerusalem, destroyed the temple and then took the Jews to other nations.

Luke and John describe it also:

Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

 

[Lazy afternoon]

It was fulfilled shortly after the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple. History tells us the Romans surrounded Jerusalem, destroyed the temple and then took the Jews to other nations.

Luke and John describe it also:

Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Rev.11:2 refers to a future event and it is not referring to a future temple of stone.

Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.


LA

 

[Livelystone]

The time and place of the gentiles

The time and place of the gentiles

Rev,11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

42 months and 1260 days are the same length of time, Forty two is the number of generations from Abraham to Christ and 42 is the number of encampments of the Jews from Egypt to the first encampment in the promised land

The time of 42 generations is 2000 years that matches the time of the church age prophesied of in the dimensions of the sanctuary room that was the Room of the Holies.

The outer court that is being trampled down by those with the sin of unbelief in the truth (gentiles) are those with only a Passover (the altar) and water baptism (the "laver" water basin) not having or believing in the indwelling of the Holy Spirit that is the beginning of the building of the Temple of the Lord

The two witnesses are not two persons as usually thought but are the foundation of the laws for determining the truth that so far have been totally missed by nearly everyone. They are prophesying the truth during this time that if learned will teach the necessary knowledge of the six foundational doctrines. (Heb.6:1-3 KJV)This knowledge is what is needed by Christians to be able to qualify to be moved by God into the realm of perfection seen in the presence of the Ark of the Covenant in the Holiest of the Holies. In this form they are no longer the literal "do this or don't to that" laws of the first 1500 years of the law but are prophesying of the necessary truth needed by all. When you add the 2000 years of their prophesying time the total comes to 3500 years from the time the law was given to Moses until now AKA the 3 1/2 days they lay dead in the street (not being used as they should be taught as Jesus speaks of in Matt.5:19 KJV.

If Christians would be willing to learn the how to reap the teachings of the spiritual aspect of the laws that are the schoolteachers needed for the fullness of Christ to be formed in us, many more would be coming out of Babylon through learning to worship in truth.

This is seen in prophecy when the jews came out of Babylon at Passover and by Tabernacles for the time of the reading of the Law, they had rebuilt the wall that separated them from the disobedient jews when for the first time they "heard the Law in their own language and with understanding" that caused them to weep.

 

[genuineoriginal]

It was fulfilled shortly after the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple. History tells us the Romans surrounded Jerusalem, destroyed the temple and then took the Jews to other nations.

Luke and John describe it also:

Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

If the times of the Gentiles ended in 73 C.E., then what time was it from that date until today?

 

[patrick jane]

Romans 11:11 KJV -

 

[steko]

That is totally laughable.

The believer is now an Israelite.

That is indeed laughable!

 

[iamaberean]

If the times of the Gentiles ended in 73 C.E., then what time was it from that date until today?

Not all Gentiles are Roman, but we know from history these were Romans.

 

[iamaberean]

Rev.11:2 refers to a future event and it is not referring to a future temple of stone.

LA

Is was future to those of that generation, not us.

 

[genuineoriginal]

Not all Gentiles are Roman, but we know from history these were Romans.

You appear to have claimed that the time of the Gentiles ended in 73 C.E. and that the time of the Gentiles only involved the Romans.

Are you also claiming that the children of Israel that were led away captive into all nations did not remain in captivity after 73 C.E.?

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

Rev.11:2 refers to a future event and it is not referring to a future temple of stone.

Made up, as usual.

 

[Lazy afternoon]

Is was future to those of that generation, not us.

Never yet has the righteous been gathered together in a stone temple and those outside been trampled under foot.

Rev 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

The holy city here refers to all of Christianity which will be crushed by the dragon and beast---(except those who truly abide in the secret place Psalm 91)

(Many will have their heads cut off for throwing spiritual spears at the righteous.)

Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Dan 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the (self) power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

LA

 

[Lazy afternoon]

Made up, as usual.

Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

 

[Livelystone]

Never yet has the righteous been gathered together in a stone temple and those outside been trampled under foot.

Rev 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

The holy city here refers to all of Christianity which will be crushed by the dragon and beast---(except those who truly abide in the secret place Psalm 91)

So far so good and better than most other than the taking over of by the dragon and the beast has already happened

(Many will have their heads cut off for throwing spiritual spears at the righteous.)

With no scripture provided to back up the above you are leaving a lot of possibilities on the table here........................

However, in the Bible, and in the Book of Revelation, those who are willing to sacrifice all of their self esteem and give up on all of their thoughts about "me," are the ones who will lose their heads (mind) that includes all of the church taught doctrines coming from mind of man, but in the end will gain the mind of Christ

 

[Lazy afternoon]

So far so good and better than most other than the taking over of by the dragon and the beast has already happened



With no scripture provided to back up the above you are leaving a lot of possibilities on the table here........................

Are you claiming Rev.ch 12:9 is in the past?

However, in the Bible, and in the Book of Revelation, those who are willing to sacrifice all of their self esteem and give up on all of their thoughts about "me," are the ones who will lose their heads (mind) that includes all of the church taught doctrines coming from mind of man, but in the end will gain the mind of Christ

OK.

LA

 

[Livelystone]

Are you claiming Rev.ch 12:9 is in the past?

LA

No. but I wish it was because I think there is something good in this verse beyond what it seems to say plainly........... something along the line of "the new heaven and new earth" are not going to be a different planet and a different sky/universe to look up to but are bodies and minds (but not everyone) no longer having satan's seed in them as we all have been born with.

A body and mind without satan would be the same as Adam was before he sinned who through God had dommonion over all things created by God

IOW an event this verse references,

Micah 4:8 And thou, O tower of the flock, the strong hold of the daughter of Zion, unto thee shall it come, even the first dominion; the kingdom shall come to the daughter of Jerusalem.

Just my $.02 that I do not expect many to agree with

 

[Lazy afternoon]

A body and mind without satan would be the same as Adam was before he sinned who through God had dommonion over all things created by God

Do you refer to the resurrected or the new born mortal children.

LA

 

[Livelystone]

Do you refer to the resurrected or the new born mortal children.

LA

Are by your definition "mortal children" describing the condition of all children born today? Because sin inherited from Adam is the cause of death, and it is "this sin" in children born today that is the reason they are born mortal AKA under the curse of death even though they themselves have not sinned in the same manner as Adam sinned because he disobeyed God.

Romans 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.