Salvation is deliverance from sin, death (spiritual death) and the devil. Salvation is also eternal life in heaven.
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Salvation is deliverance from sin, death (spiritual death) and the devil. Salvation is also eternal life in heaven.
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Derf
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Notice how you have to keep putting “spiritual” before death for it to make sense? Why is that?
Salvation results in eternal life, at least part of it does. But that’s because we are resurrected from the first death, and protected from the second.
Revelation 2:11 (NKJV) “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death.” ’
There are two deaths, spiritual death and physical death. Spiritual death is the results of rejecting Christ as your savior. The law says, "The wages of sin is death" Romans 6:23. Physical death was brought upon humanity because Adam sinned. The second death is when unbelievers and Satan are cast unto the lake of fire.
Derf
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You’re right that the second death is the lake of fire, but it’s a second physical death, as people that experience it are first resurrected.
John 5:29 (NKJV) “and come forth--those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.
Derf
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And if the wages of sin is death, God would be unjust to punish people twice for the same crime. So they are being punished by the lake of fire for a different crime. Do you know what it is?
God is not unjust. All that God does is righteous and just. The first death was because of Adam's sin, "It is appointed unto men to die and after that the judgment" Hebrews 9:27. The second death is because of the rejection of Christ and his Gospel.
Derf
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Absolutely! And both include the physical body. So why do you feel the need to insert “spiritual” next to death?
There are two kinds of individuals in the world. The spiritual person and the natural person. The spiritual person is indwelt with the Holy Spirit and is saved. The natural person has rejected Christ and his Gospel and is spiritually dead. He cannot receive the things of God because they are foolish to him, 1 Corinthians 2:14. If the natural person does not accept Christ as his savior he is spiritually dead and is eternally lost.
Derf
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So now you’re saying he starts out dead, dies again, then is resurrected and will die again.
Everyone is born into the world spiritually dead. If they are to be saved they need to be born again by the word of God, 1 Peter 1:23 Which is the Gospel. Those that have received Christ and his Gospel are eternally saved from spiritual death, even though their bodies die.
Paul says otherwise:
I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died. - Romans 7:9 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans7:9&version=NKJV
Derf
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Everyone is born assured of death. The only hope they have is Jesus Christ, who raises people from the dead. If they had no spirit, how could they be alive when born?
It’s the fear of death that keeps people in bondage to sin:
Hebrews 2:15 (NKJV)
and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
People are born with a Spirit, but it is not the Spirit of Christ, it is the Spirit of Satan.
Derf
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What exactly is a “spirit” that someone is born with? Surely you’re not saying everyone is born possessed by Satan?
There are only two dominate spirits in the world, Satan and God. Yes, everyone is born into the world with the Spirit of the devil. This is why they need to be born again by the word of God, 1 Peter 1:23. Have you not noticed all of the evil in the world?
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You have some terribly strange ideas.
Everyone has a spirit of their own, created by God... and it's NOT the "Spirit of the devil".
You make God out to be an evil "creator" that plants the "Spirit of the devil" in all of His created people.
Derf
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Yes, there’s evil in the world, because people have a tendency toward evil. They are in bondage to sin. Hebrews says it’s because of the fear of death, as I pointed out before.
We are all the descendants of Adam who was a sinner. "Wherefore as by one man sin entered into the world and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned" Romans 5:12. "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation" Romans 518. All sinners are indwelt with the Spirit of Satan.
You need to read your Bible so that you will know these things.
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You lie about what the Bible says.
Nowhere IN THE BIBLE can you find people being CREATED with "the Spirit of the devil" in them. That is some evil nonsense that you dreamed up.
Your approach to the Bible is very cultish.