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Another vapid response.
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Arthur Brain
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Well, one person's "vapid" response is another's excuse for a puerile insult. Swings and roundabouts...
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Thanks so much Mr. Vapid. That really cleared things up!
Arthur Brain
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Things were pretty clear in my responses anyway but the juvenile is pretty much the essence of these forums nowadays, unfortunately. A sad departure from what it once was.
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The sad part is your posts here. You can prattle along all day and never say anything substantive.
Arthur Brain
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Your posts are cool from an irony perspective.
Yes. He made an exception because of her great faith.
God had a plan.
He was following that plan.
That plan did not involve the Gentiles at that point in time.
Why is that so hard for you to understand?
You're trying to trap me into saying God is a racist. It's not going to happen, because God isn't a racist.
The "settled view" refers to the idea that the future is predetermined, that everything that happens was going to happen.
Again, God does not know the future, and thus, Jesus could not know what the woman's response would be.
Also, omnipotent means "all power."
I believe the word you're looking for is "omniscient."
You have been shown using a purely logical argument how God having infallible knowledge of the future necessarily means that the future is settled. You have yet to refute even a single syllable of it.
So no, I'm "not going to get it" because you haven't demonstrated that rational argument being wrong.
Jesus came to save His people, so that they could in turn preach to the world.
The plan was for Israel to take the gospel of Christ to the world through their faith.
That backfired, and so God took the gospel of Christ to the world in SPITE of Israel's unbelief.
Wrong.
Again, God isn't a racist, as you seemingly want to make it seem that that's what I'm trying to say, when it's not.
Says the person who refuses to understand the Bible.
Who said I'm presuming anything?
You've shown by your fruits on TOL that you are not saved, because of your lack of faith and that you have not repented of wrongdoing.
Stupid doesn't make you sin, Arthur. Sin makes you stupid.
And you, sir, are one of the stupidest people I've ever met.
This passage describes you perfectly.
If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which accords with godliness, he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, useless wranglings of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself.
Bible Gateway passage: 1 Timothy 6:3, 1 Timothy 6:4, 1 Timothy 6:5 - New King James Version
Error and Greed - If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which accords with godliness,
Arthur Brain
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I'm not trying to trap you into saying God is anything. That you read that from my response should give you pause for thought for how you actually read this account as yours is the rocky position, not mine. You're the one who's argued that Jesus referred to her with a slur commonplace to her race.Yes. He made an exception because of her great faith.
God had a plan.
He was following that plan.
That plan did not involve the Gentiles at that point in time.
Why is that so hard for you to understand?
You're trying to trap me into saying God is a racist. It's not going to happen, because God isn't a racist.
The "settled view" refers to the idea that the future is predetermined, that everything that happens was going to happen.
Again, God does not know the future, and thus, Jesus could not know what the woman's response would be.
Also, omnipotent means "all power."
I believe the word you're looking for is "omniscient."
You have been shown using a purely logical argument how God having infallible knowledge of the future necessarily means that the future is settled. You have yet to refute even a single syllable of it.
So no, I'm "not going to get it" because you haven't demonstrated that rational argument being wrong.
Jesus came to save His people, so that they could in turn preach to the world.
The plan was for Israel to take the gospel of Christ to the world through their faith.
That backfired, and so God took the gospel of Christ to the world in SPITE of Israel's unbelief.
Wrong.
Again, God isn't a racist, as you seemingly want to make it seem that that's what I'm trying to say, when it's not.
Says the person who refuses to understand the Bible.
Who said I'm presuming anything?
You've shown by your fruits on TOL that you are not saved, because of your lack of faith and that you have not repented of wrongdoing.
Stupid doesn't make you sin, Arthur. Sin makes you stupid.
And you, sir, are one of the stupidest people I've ever met.
This passage describes you perfectly.
If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which accords with godliness, he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, useless wranglings of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself.
Bible Gateway passage: 1 Timothy 6:3, 1 Timothy 6:4, 1 Timothy 6:5 - New King James Version
Error and Greed - If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which accords with godliness,www.biblegateway.com
You don't get to decide on what God does and doesn't know in advance, nobody does. Just because you can't understand how foreknowledge doesn't equate to a predetermined future doesn't mean other people can't thankfully so just more of your usual pseudo intellectual blather frankly.
Thank you for your opinion where it comes to the latter and allow me to be equally candid in kind.
Your views on my salvation status and intellectual acumen mean absolutely nothing to me. The fruits that you've shown on here were already long past their sell by date years ago. You, sir, are one of the vilest people I've ever met who has espoused the most sickening and twisted views ever posted on a forum I've been part of. Anyone who advocates that infants could possibly be tried for *capital crimes* and be stabbed to death is - to put it kindly - sick in the head. You've never shown anything resembling compassion, empathy or understanding for people and instead sit on a pompous high horse and label folk such as the homeless as "bums" instead. I won't call you stupid as that would be dishonest, you obviously have intellect, just not a heart to go with it.
Because He did.
I'm the one agreeing with Scripture. You're not.
No, her race is "human."
It was a derogatory term for "Gentile."
Gentile is not a race.
And you do?
The Bible says God does not know the future.
You say He does.
Who's right, you or the Bible?
Straw man.
What I can and cannot understand has nothing to do with it.
It is irrational to argue that anyone, let alone God, can infallibly know the future, and it not be settled.
If you can understand it, then please show logically how it is so, and refute the following:
You won't, because you cannot, because the above argument is rationally sound.
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Put up or shut up.
I have no idea what you're referring to here, because you did not specify what you were responding to.
Of course it doesn't, but it should.
If someone is saying that they don't consider you saved, based on the evidence, then they're giving you the benefit of the doubt, and assuming you are not.
Whatever that means...
Well that's just your subjective opinion!
Says the one who advocates homosexuality and the murder of children...
Where have I ever said that they could be? QUOTE ME. I dare you.
More subjective opinion.
That's because you wouldn't recognize compassion, empathy, or understanding for people, if they danced naked in front of you for hours on end.
Anyone who refuses to work is, by definition, a bum.
If I'm being stupid, then please, tell me, by all means.
But that implies that I'm actually being stupid.
Says the one who advocates the murder of children in the safest place on earth, the womb.
Arthur Brain
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Everyone is human indeed, regardless of creed, skin colour etc which again should give you pause for thought as to why you think Jesus would insult the woman simply for not being Jewish. Obviously more in play going on here and pretty obvious too really. A lesson to the disciples and readers of the account in the present, much the same way as the parable of the good Samaritan taught against prejudice in like manner.
There's plenty in the Bible that indicates that God knows plenty of future events. That you can't understand the difference between having foreknowledge of future events and predetermining them is frankly, nobody else's problem. There's an obvious and logical difference. Do the math or don't, you've been walked through it often enough.
I was replying candidly in kind to your subjective opinions about my intelligence et al and I even prefaced it with "your latter" so it should have been clear enough really. To reiterate - your opinion of my salvation status or intelligence means absolutely nothing to me as in order for me to care about such an opinion then I'd have to have at least a measure of respect for the one giving it. I don't. I don't *advocate* homosexuality, I acknowledge its existence along with acknowledging gay people's rights to live free of persecution from far right religious extremists and homophobes. Nor do I advocate for the murder of children.
To be fair, you haven't actually argued that infants could possibly be tried for capital crimes and executed so I should have worded that differently. Obviously that will never be the case. You most certainly have advocated that kids as young as five should be held as accountable as adults and face execution for *capital crimes* to the point of their being stabbed to death so please don't insult either of us by denying that. There is no support in any way from scientific, moralistic and scriptural to support such an indefensible position. The kindest way to put it was "sick in the head" frankly.
Laughably ironic that you accuse me of being unable to recognize the traits of compassion and empathy when you so asininely and ignorantly conflate homelessness with refusal to work. You've just exemplified how little you understand the traits and underlined how unlikely you are to possess them.
I didn't, nor did I imply that you were stupid so that's moot. There's plenty of highly intelligent people who are a vacuum where it comes to understanding and empathy etc. Your latter already addressed.