Interplanner
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lol, your category is irrelevant, and misses what 2 Cor 3-5 is about anyway. this is really getting amateur. Paul was pitting the letter of the law against the Spirit AND the Gospel.
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lol, your category is irrelevant, and misses what 2 Cor 3-5 is about anyway. this is really getting amateur. Paul was pitting the letter of the law against the Spirit AND the Gospel.
SaulToPaul 2
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:chuckle:
God is not causing you to walk in his statutes. If he was, then you'd really have the New Covenant.
Interplanner
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Wrong and wrong. sorry you are missing out on the fun. 2P2P has stolen it from you because it rapes the Bible.
SaulToPaul 2
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God is not causing you to walk in his statutes. If he was, then you'd really have the New Covenant.
See Ezekiel 36-38.
Interplanner
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You're a fool to say that at the absurd far end of the internet where you know nothing about my life. And I'm supposed to find some truck in your understanding of the bible and covenants that are timeless and lies in Mk 1? Your communication is pretty hopeless.
As the new covenant passages show, the Spirit is at work in a new way that makes a person want to love their neighbor rather than wiggle out some kind of exception 'by the letter.' They (the passages) do this without your secret knowledge, and which no NT passage bothered to quote. Why do you always major on non-NT-quoted passages? Hmmm. Telltale.
I hope you enjoy the Spirit's work making you willing instead of calculating.
SaulToPaul 2
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God is not causing you to walk in his statutes. If he was, then you'd really have the New Covenant.
See Ezekiel 36-38.
Interplanner
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ah, the highly-effective needling technique again. Why do you major on non-NT-quoted passages?
SaulToPaul 2
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How thick would the NT be if every OT prophecy was mentioned?
Interplanner
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It doesn't matter. You've missed the PATTERN. The view that you take is not found, accidentally or incidentally, in the NT.
SaulToPaul 2
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That's why acts 26 reads the way it does about the 'hopes of the nation of Israel.'
SaulToPaul 2
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In a passage and situation where you would most expect a point-blank clear validation of your land promise, it is not there. What they were hoping for is already fulfilled (Israel is renewed/restored in Christ), and he still wants good people in the mission, to keep it going.
Jerry Shugart
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Here it is point-blank:
"Now therefore so shalt thou say unto my servant David...I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime" (2 Sam.7:8,10).
"And move no more"! This promise according to the Davidic covenant is restated later by the prophet Jeremiah:
"For I will set mine eyes upon them for good, and I will bring them again to this land: and I will build them, and not pull them down; and I will plant them, and not pluck them up"(Jer.24:6).
"And not pluck them up"! The prophet Amos says the same thing:
"And I will bring again the captivity of my people ...And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God" (Amos 9:14,15).
Therefore we can understand that the Lord has made promises to David in respect to the promised land that have not yet been fulfilled. There has never been a time when the children of Israel have been brought back to the promised land and have not "been pulled up out of their land" (unless that is being fulfilled now).
Interplanner
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Yes, I know it sounds that way, but God had other things in mind for Israel, and they were supposed to listen to the one greater than their prophets. The apostles told them to get in the mission of the Gospel and be the prophesied 'great multitude of preachers.' That is what the provocation of Rom 11 is about. it is not a prediction of 'being in the land again.' I think the saying of Christ to remember right here is: 'anyone who leaves father, mother, family, lands, will receive 100x as much in the kingdom of God along with persecution.' That means they are getting all these things IN CHRIST.
As far as David goes, why do you ignore Acts 2:30,31 so brazenly. "Seeing what was ahead...he spoke of the resurrection of Christ..." That is where "Israel" is "restored." IN CHRIST.
The telltale flaw in what you said Jerry is the last line. All the prophets were talking about the Spirit being poured out and doing (evangelistic) things for the nations. Well, that's not going on in modern Israel that I know of. Look at some of the people who put it together; sometimes they are socialst terrorists as shown on the movie EXODUS about a 1947 shipload of people from Europe. Which TBN plays about once a month! TBN with socialist terrorists!
Why would Paul bring it up - said Promise's realization - due AFTER God's Prophesied UNLEASHING of His wrath - was on hold by then - Romans 9-11 in light of Romans 2 & 3, etc.
Duh-uh.
SaulToPaul 2
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:chuckle:
Interplanner
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Indeed, just like Gen 12 'sounds' like it is about the land. It's not. Heb 11-13 knew that, too. But I mean Gal 3:8, primarily.
SaulToPaul 2
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:doh:
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Jerry wrote:
Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
Here it is point-blank:
"Now therefore so shalt thou say unto my servant David...I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime" (2 Sam.7:8,10).
"And move no more"! This promise according to the Davidic covenant is restated later by the prophet Jeremiah:
"For I will set mine eyes upon them for good, and I will bring them again to this land: and I will build them, and not pull them down; and I will plant them, and not pluck them up"(Jer.24:6).
"And not pluck them up"! The prophet Amos says the same thing:
"And I will bring again the captivity of my people ...And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God" (Amos 9:14,15).
Therefore we can understand that the Lord has made promises to David in respect to the promised land that have not yet been fulfilled. There has never been a time when the children of Israel have been brought back to the promised land and have not "been pulled up out of their land" (unless that is being fulfilled now).
Hebrews is also point blank saying the present kingdom that we receive is unshakeable. This earth and all that it has, is shakable, but not the new covenant. If you can't see Christ in those passages of the prophets this way, that's very unfortunate.
Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
Here it is point-blank:
"Now therefore so shalt thou say unto my servant David...I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime" (2 Sam.7:8,10).
"And move no more"! This promise according to the Davidic covenant is restated later by the prophet Jeremiah:
"For I will set mine eyes upon them for good, and I will bring them again to this land: and I will build them, and not pull them down; and I will plant them, and not pluck them up"(Jer.24:6).
"And not pluck them up"! The prophet Amos says the same thing:
"And I will bring again the captivity of my people ...And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God" (Amos 9:14,15).
Therefore we can understand that the Lord has made promises to David in respect to the promised land that have not yet been fulfilled. There has never been a time when the children of Israel have been brought back to the promised land and have not "been pulled up out of their land" (unless that is being fulfilled now).
Hebrews is also point blank saying the present kingdom that we receive is unshakeable. This earth and all that it has, is shakable, but not the new covenant. If you can't see Christ in those passages of the prophets this way, that's very unfortunate.