The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

[beloved57]

John 12:32-33

32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.

Christs own testimony to His own Saving death, hence there isnt one soul for whom Christ died that shall not come to Him or come to believe on Him and follow Him !

 

[marke]

John 12:32-33

32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.

Christs own testimony to His own Saving death, hence there isnt one soul for whom Christ died that shall not come to Him or come to believe on Him and follow Him !

Jesus is not willing that any sinner should perish

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

because God has no pleasure in the death of sinners

Ezekiel 18:32
For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord God: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.

which is why God sent Jesus to bear the sins of the whole world.

John 1:29
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

so that whosoever will may be saved

Revelation 22:17
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

God sends out witnesses into all the world to preach the gospel to every creature

Mark 16:15
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

drawing all men to Christ

John 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

so that sinners may hear the gospel and whosoever is willing may call on the Lord for salvation.

Romans 10

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

 

[beloved57]

Those Christ died for, they could never die in their sins, because when He died for them, He put away their sins Heb 9:26

26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

This truth is vital to Preaching the Cross, what resulted from Christs Cross work, the sacrificing of Himself for sinners.

 

[marke]

Those Christ died for, they could never die in their sins, because when He died for them, He put away their sins Heb 9:26

26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

This truth is vital to Preaching the Cross, what resulted from Christs Cross work, the sacrificing of Himself for sinners.

True. Unless sinners hear the preaching of the cross they can never choose to accept Jesus as Savior.

 

[beloved57]

By Jesus Christ death upon the cross as our[His Church] Substitute, the Son of God paid our[His Church] debt, made atonement for our[His Church]sins, and redeemed us[His Church] from the curse of the law by making satisfaction to Divine justice for us[His Church].

 

[marke]

By Jesus Christ death upon the cross as our[His Church] Substitute, the Son of God paid our[His Church] debt, made atonement for our[His Church]sins, and redeemed us[His Church] from the curse of the law by making satisfaction to Divine justice for us[His Church].

You seem certain that Jesus had no intention of offering the gift of salvation to those you think He specifically chose to be helplessly burned in fire for eternity for refusing to turn to Him for salvation, but you offer no biblical support for such a view.

 

[beloved57]

You seem certain that Jesus had no intention of offering the gift of salvation to those you think He specifically chose to be helplessly burned in fire for eternity for refusing to turn to Him for salvation, but you offer no biblical support for such a view.

You always evade to another topic instead of discussing the post points.

 

[marke]

You always evade to another topic instead of discussing the post points.

I agree with you that Jesus came to save the elect, so why do you not want to provide evidence that Jesus clearly states He had no intention of ever offering salvation to those who are not elect?

 

[JudgeRightly]

You always evade to another topic instead of discussing the post points.

Hypocrite!

 

[beloved57]

Its just as Christ dishonoring to His Saving Death to say that His death saved no one apart from their believing, as to say His death saved no one apart from their good works of charity, or keeping the law, or water baptism.

 

[marke]

I agree with you that Jesus came to save the elect, so why do you not want to provide evidence that Jesus clearly states He had no intention of ever offering salvation to those who are not elect?

You did not get saved when Jesus died, but God made it possible for you to get saved because Jesus died.

 

[beloved57]

Christ death is a saving death because those for whom He died, or suffered, it brings them to God. That means it effects conversion to God 1 Pet 3:18

18 For Christ also hath once suffered[or died] for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

Those He died for, likewise will be quickened by the Spirit. Thats what begins their conversion or being brought to God.

 

[beloved57]

Christ did so much more than dying for sin and making Salvation possible or available to all mankind, thats such a false teaching, However what He did do for them He died for, Gods Elect, He absolutely put away their sin before God Heb 9:26

26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

The words put away means:

1. abolition, disannulling, put away, rejection

He cancelled their sins, made them non and void.

Like Daniel stated He made and end of them Dan 9:24

Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

And so consequently, them for whom this has been done for, no charge of sin can be laid charged against them, not even unbelief/disobedience.

 

[beloved57]

Christ did so much more than dying for sin and making Salvation possible or available to all mankind, thats such a false teaching, However what He did do for them He died for, Gods Elect, He absolutely redeemed them from the curse of the Law Gal 3:13

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Thats Salvation, for sin finds its curses because of the Law 1 Cor 15:56

The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

The law nor sin can condemn any sinner Christ died for.

 

[Hoping]

Christ did so much more than dying for sin and making Salvation possible or available to all mankind, thats such a false teaching,

It is written..."And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world." (1 John 2:2)
Jesus died for the whole world, but not all wish to serve Him, and will be lost.
It is a true teaching.

However what He did do for them He died for, Gods Elect, He absolutely redeemed them from the curse of the Law Gal 3:13

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Thats Salvation, for sin finds its curses because of the Law 1 Cor 15:56

The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

The law nor sin can condemn any sinner Christ died for.

Every ex-sinner He died for repented of sin, so they won't be committing any more sins.

 

[beloved57]

It is written..."And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world." (1 John 2:2)
Jesus died for the whole world, but not all wish to serve Him, and will be lost.
It is a true teaching.

Every ex-sinner He died for repented of sin, so they won't be committing any more sins.

I dont see your beliefs in scripture. The Jesus I serve didnt just make Salvation possible, He actually saved them He died for by putting away their sins, they are all gone ! Heb 9:26

26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

He did it by the sacrifice of Himself !

 

[Derf]

I dont see your beliefs in scripture. The Jesus I serve didnt just make Salvation possible, He actually saved them He died for by putting away their sins, they are all gone ! Heb 9:26

26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

He did it by the sacrifice of Himself !

If he actually saved them when he died, then no "elect" person afterward was ever dead in their trespasses and sin. Every elect person born after Christ died was not saved from sin, because they had no sin to be saved from--Christ had already saved them from it before they existed.

 

[beloved57]

If he actually saved them when he died, then no "elect" person afterward was ever dead in their trespasses and sin. Every elect person born after Christ died was not saved from sin, because they had no sin to be saved from--Christ had already saved them from it before they existed.

All the elect Christ died for are Justified before God by Christs death before they are converted. The elect like the rest of mankind are born a spiritually dead sinner, only Justified.

 

[beloved57]

Christ did so much more than dying for sin and making Salvation possible or available to all mankind, thats such a false teaching, However what He did do for them He died for, Gods Elect, He absolutely obtained for them eternal redemption Heb 9:12

12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Not made it available, or merely possible, He obtained it for them, and brings them into the realization of it.

The word redemption here lutrósis:

lýtrōsis (a feminine noun) – properly, the payment of the full ransom-price to free a slave – particularly the redemption of an individual.

This redemption frees the sinner from neing a slave to sin, to obeying the Truth Rom 6:17

17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants or slave of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

God must be thanked for being made free from being a slave of sin unto obedience, because He sent Christ to obtain eternal redemption for them !

 

[Derf]

All the elect Christ died for are Justified before God by Christs death before they are converted. The elect like the rest of mankind are born a spiritually dead sinner, only Justified.

Then Christ's sacrifice is not sufficient for their salvation. You are adding to the gospel.