The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

beloved57

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The death of Christ saved them He died for, since by it [His death] He for them obtained eternal redemption Heb 9:12

Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

This redmption means:


  1. a ransoming, redemption
  2. deliverance, esp. from the penalty of sin

He has obtained for them the deliverance from the penalty of their sins, which penalty was death, even eternal death, so they must have instead eternal life Rom 6:23

23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Eternal life and eternal redemption are relatively the same !
 

Hoping

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The death of Christ saved them He died for, since by it [His death] He for them obtained eternal redemption Heb 9:12

Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

This redmption means:


  1. a ransoming, redemption
  2. deliverance, esp. from the penalty of sin

He has obtained for them the deliverance from the penalty of their sins, which penalty was death, even eternal death, so they must have instead eternal life Rom 6:23

23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Eternal life and eternal redemption are relatively the same !
Thanks be to God for the preachers, because "faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." (Rom 10:17)
I am glad I heard.
 

beloved57

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Christ came to save His People from their sins Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

This coincides with 1 Tim 1:15

15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Now He does this[save sinners] by His Death, hence we read by His death for sinners He eternally redeemed them Heb 9:12

neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Rev 5:9


9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain[death], and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

By it He Justified those He died for, shed His Blood for Rom 5:8-9

8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

By it He sanctified us and perfected us Heb 10:10,14

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 but this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 from henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

By it He reconciled them He died for unto God and ensured they shall be saved by His Life Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

All this is the fruit of His saving death!
 

Hoping

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Christ came to save His People from their sins Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

This coincides with 1 Tim 1:15

15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Now He does this[save sinners] by His Death, hence we read by His death for sinners He eternally redeemed them Heb 9:12

neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Rev 5:9


9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain[death], and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

By it He Justified those He died for, shed His Blood for Rom 5:8-9

8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

By it He sanctified us and perfected us Heb 10:10,14

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 but this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 from henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

By it He reconciled them He died for unto God and ensured they shall be saved by His Life Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

All this is the fruit of His saving death!
And that isn't ALL the fruit !
 

beloved57

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Abolished Death

Christs Death is saving because by His Death alone, and His Resurrection is proof, He abolished death for them He died for, which is brought to light by the Gospel.

2 Tim 1:9-10

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

Christs death was the death of death. The word abolished is the word katargeō which means:

to render idle, unemployed, inactivate, inoperative


    1. to cause a person or thing to have no further efficiency
    2. to deprive of force, influence, power
  1. to cause to cease, put an end to, do away with, annul, abolish
    1. to cease, to pass away, be done away
    2. to be severed from, separated from, discharged from, loosed from any one
    3. to terminate all intercourse with one

Its an aorist tense verb denoting its a done accomplishment,

Hence The Saviour Christ by His Death alone has abolished death, causes it to be inoperative, deprives of its influence and efficiency, discharges and looses from death every sinner He died for, ensuring and causing their subsequent regeneration from spiritual death, and if they have physically died, will raise them from physical death unto Glory.

This is one of the many results of the Saving death of Christ. Its impossible therefore for any sinner Christ died for, not to be regenerated as an evidence of His death abolishing death, and resurrection. Thats why Peter writes 1 Pet 1:3

.3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

They were begotten again, or regenerated unto a living hope by Christs resurrection from the dead because for them His death abolished death !
 

marke

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Abolished Death

Christs Death is saving because by His Death alone, and His Resurrection is proof, He abolished death for them He died for, which is brought to light by the Gospel.

2 Tim 1:9-10

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

Christs death was the death of death. The word abolished is the word katargeō which means:

to render idle, unemployed, inactivate, inoperative


    1. to cause a person or thing to have no further efficiency
    2. to deprive of force, influence, power
  1. to cause to cease, put an end to, do away with, annul, abolish
    1. to cease, to pass away, be done away
    2. to be severed from, separated from, discharged from, loosed from any one
    3. to terminate all intercourse with one

Its an aorist tense verb denoting its a done accomplishment,

Hence The Saviour Christ by His Death alone has abolished death, causes it to be inoperative, deprives of its influence and efficiency, discharges and looses from death every sinner He died for, ensuring and causing their subsequent regeneration from spiritual death, and if they have physically died, will raise them from physical death unto Glory.

This is one of the many results of the Saving death of Christ. Its impossible therefore for any sinner Christ died for, not to be regenerated as an evidence of His death abolishing death, and resurrection. Thats why Peter writes 1 Pet 1:3

.3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

They were begotten again, or regenerated unto a living hope by Christs resurrection from the dead because for them His death abolished death !
Calvinists are wrong to assume God created sin for His own pleasure, created hell for the purpose of burning selected sinners for His own pleasure and glory, and created the cross not as a symbol of loving hope for lost sinners but as a prop in His totally controlled and executed selfish plan to save sinners without considering any human responses whatsoever to His word.
 

Derf

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Abolished Death

Christs Death is saving because by His Death alone, and His Resurrection is proof, He abolished death for them He died for, which is brought to light by the Gospel.

2 Tim 1:9-10

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

Christs death was the death of death. The word abolished is the word katargeō which means:

to render idle, unemployed, inactivate, inoperative


    1. to cause a person or thing to have no further efficiency
    2. to deprive of force, influence, power
  1. to cause to cease, put an end to, do away with, annul, abolish
    1. to cease, to pass away, be done away
    2. to be severed from, separated from, discharged from, loosed from any one
    3. to terminate all intercourse with one

Its an aorist tense verb denoting its a done accomplishment,

Hence The Saviour Christ by His Death alone has abolished death, causes it to be inoperative, deprives of its influence and efficiency, discharges and looses from death every sinner He died for, ensuring and causing their subsequent regeneration from spiritual death, and if they have physically died, will raise them from physical death unto Glory.

This is one of the many results of the Saving death of Christ. Its impossible therefore for any sinner Christ died for, not to be regenerated as an evidence of His death abolishing death, and resurrection. Thats why Peter writes 1 Pet 1:3

.3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

They were begotten again, or regenerated unto a living hope by Christs resurrection from the dead because for them His death abolished death !
The thing you're missing is that His death applies to the physical body resurrection of EVERYONE. We know that because everyone who dies will be resurrected. If Death is abolished, if Christ completely defeats death, if death is thrown into the lake of fire, then there is no death, even for those who don't believe.

The problem comes when those who are resurrected refuse to bow the knee to Christ, but they can no longer be killed (death no longer exists, remember), so they experience the replacement for death, or the "second death", which is defined as a "lake of fire".
 

beloved57

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Shall be in the likeness of His Resurrection !

Rom 6:5


5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

What Paul is in essence stating here, if we have been planted together in the likeness of His [Jesus Christ] death, we in like manner shall be raised together in like fashion, that is if He died for us, we in union with Him have also died, we will most certainly with Him partake of His Resurrection, by being born again. Peter says that here 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Paul is stating, that if Christ died for us, we shall be born again as proof, because He was raised again for our Justification Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

So therefore, one of the benefits of His death for us, is to partake of His resurrection for us, which will cause us to be born again and live for God.
 

marke

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Shall be in the likeness of His Resurrection !

Rom 6:5


5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

What Paul is in essence stating here, if we have been planted together in the likeness of His [Jesus Christ] death, we in like manner shall be raised together in like fashion, that is if He died for us, we in union with Him have also died, we will most certainly with Him partake of His Resurrection, by being born again. Peter says that here 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Paul is stating, that if Christ died for us, we shall be born again as proof, because He was raised again for our Justification Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

So therefore, one of the benefits of His death for us, is to partake of His resurrection for us, which will cause us to be born again and live for God.
No Christian in the Bible ever rejoiced that God had saved him instead of his lost friends and relatives. That is because God also grieves over those who reject the truth to their own destruction.

Luke 13:34
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!
 

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No Christian in the Bible ever rejoiced that God had saved him instead of his lost friends and relatives. That is because God also grieves over those who reject the truth to their own destruction.

Luke 13:34
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!
That verse is not talking about Christians. It is talking about Israel.
 

Hoping

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Shall be in the likeness of His Resurrection !

Rom 6:5


5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

What Paul is in essence stating here, if we have been planted together in the likeness of His [Jesus Christ] death, we in like manner shall be raised together in like fashion, that is if He died for us, we in union with Him have also died, we will most certainly with Him partake of His Resurrection, by being born again. Peter says that here 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Paul is stating, that if Christ died for us, we shall be born again as proof, because He was raised again for our Justification Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

So therefore, one of the benefits of His death for us, is to partake of His resurrection for us, which will cause us to be born again and live for God.
Thank God for water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins, wherein we can also kill the old man and be raised with Christ to walk in newness of life with Jesus. (Rom 6:4)
Die with Him, be buried with Him, and be raised with Him in one simple step.
 

marke

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Thank God for water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins, wherein we can also kill the old man and be raised with Christ to walk in newness of life with Jesus. (Rom 6:4)
Die with Him, be buried with Him, and be raised with Him in one simple step.
I thank God I baptized nobody because Christ sent me not to baptize but to preach the Gospel.
 

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Thank God for water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins, wherein we can also kill the old man and be raised with Christ to walk in newness of life with Jesus. (Rom 6:4)
Die with Him, be buried with Him, and be raised with Him in one simple step.
There is NO WATER in Romans 6.
There is ONE baptism for the body of Christ (Eph 4:5)... here it is:

1Cor 12:13 (AKJV/PCE)
(12:13) For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be] Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
 

Hoping

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I thank God I baptized nobody because Christ sent me not to baptize but to preach the Gospel.
You should have quoted the verse so folks wouldn't get the wrong idea.
1 Cor 1:17..."For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect."
"...lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect".

Was Paul committing sin when he baptized Crispus, Gaius, the household of Stephanus, or the twelve at Ephesus?
No, as baptism is the second step to salvation.
Just after repentance from sin.
 

marke

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You should have quoted the verse so folks wouldn't get the wrong idea.
1 Cor 1:17..."For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect."
"...lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect".

Was Paul committing sin when he baptized Crispus, Gaius, the household of Stephanus, or the twelve at Ephesus?
No, as baptism is the second step to salvation.
Just after repentance from sin.
There is nothing wrong with baptism or church-going, but those things are not essential to salvation.
 

Hoping

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There is NO WATER in Romans 6.
I disagree, as there is no other instrument of baptism that simulates burial.
There is ONE baptism for the body of Christ (Eph 4:5)... here it is:
One given/done by God, and one given/done by men.
1Cor 12:13 (AKJV/PCE)
(12:13) For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be] Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Don't forget 1 Cor 6:11..."And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God."
There is something besides the Spirit at work there.

Were do you suppose we are justified "in the name of Jesus Christ"?
Peter tells us in Acts 2:38..."Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
As the Spirit and water agree in one, according to 1 John 5:8, why try to separate them?
"And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."
 
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