The Recorded Atrocities of John Calvin

Robert Pate

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The minutes book the Geneva City Council, 1541-1549 (translated by Stefan Zewig, Eramus: The Right to Heresy).

Compiled by Jack Moorman.

The apostle John wrote: "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but try the spirits to see whether thy be of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world" 1 John 4:1

If you believe that John Calvin was a Christian, it is because you don't know what a Christian is.

1. During the ravages of the pestilence in 1545 more than twenty men and women were burnt alive for witchcraft.

2. From 1542 to 1546 fifty eight judgments of death and twenty six decrees of banishment were passed.

3. During the years 1558 and 1559 the cases of various punishments for all sorts of offences amounted to four hundred and fourteen.

4. One burgher smiled while attending baptism: three days in prison.

5. Another, tired out on a hot summer day went to sleep during a sermon and was sent to prison.

6. Some workman ate pastry at breakfast: three days on bread and water.

7. Two burghers played skittles and were sent to prison.

8. Two others diced for a bottle of wine: prison.

9. A blind fiddler played and danced: expelled from the city.

10. Another praised Castellio's translation of the Bible: expelled from the Geneva.

11. A girl was caught skating, a widow threw herself on the grave of her husband, a burgher offered his neighbor a pinch of snuff during divine service: they were summoned before the consistory, exhorted and ordered to do penance.

12. Some cheerful fellows at epiphany stuck a bean into the cake: four and twenty hours on bread and water.

13. A couple of peasants talked about business matters on coming out of church; prison.

14. A man played cards: he was pilloried with a pack hung around his neck.

15. Two bargees had a brawl: executed.

The death penalty against heresy, idolatry and blasphemy and barbarous customs of torture were retained. Attendance at public worship was commanded on penalty of three sols. Watchmen were appointed to see that people went to church. The members of the consistory visited every house to see that people went to church. The members of the consistory visited every house once a year to examine the faith and morals of the family. Every unseemly word and act on the streets was reported and the offenders were cited before the consistory to be either censured and warned, or to be handed over to the council for severer punishment.
 

marke

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The minutes book the Geneva City Council, 1541-1549 (translated by Stefan Zewig, Eramus: The Right to Heresy).

Compiled by Jack Moorman.

The apostle John wrote: "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but try the spirits to see whether thy be of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world" 1 John 4:1

If you believe that John Calvin was a Christian, it is because you don't know what a Christian is.

1. During the ravages of the pestilence in 1545 more than twenty men and women were burnt alive for witchcraft.

2. From 1542 to 1546 fifty eight judgments of death and twenty six decrees of banishment were passed.

3. During the years 1558 and 1559 the cases of various punishments for all sorts of offences amounted to four hundred and fourteen.

4. One burgher smiled while attending baptism: three days in prison.

5. Another, tired out on a hot summer day went to sleep during a sermon and was sent to prison.

6. Some workman ate pastry at breakfast: three days on bread and water.

7. Two burghers played skittles and were sent to prison.

8. Two others diced for a bottle of wine: prison.

9. A blind fiddler played and danced: expelled from the city.

10. Another praised Castellio's translation of the Bible: expelled from the Geneva.

11. A girl was caught skating, a widow threw herself on the grave of her husband, a burgher offered his neighbor a pinch of snuff during divine service: they were summoned before the consistory, exhorted and ordered to do penance.

12. Some cheerful fellows at epiphany stuck a bean into the cake: four and twenty hours on bread and water.

13. A couple of peasants talked about business matters on coming out of church; prison.

14. A man played cards: he was pilloried with a pack hung around his neck.

15. Two bargees had a brawl: executed.

The death penalty against heresy, idolatry and blasphemy and barbarous customs of torture were retained. Attendance at public worship was commanded on penalty of three sols. Watchmen were appointed to see that people went to church. The members of the consistory visited every house to see that people went to church. The members of the consistory visited every house once a year to examine the faith and morals of the family. Every unseemly word and act on the streets was reported and the offenders were cited before the consistory to be either censured and warned, or to be handed over to the council for severer punishment.
Calvin murdered Michael Servetus in cold blood. He was evil.
 

nikolai_42

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Only God knows how many people were murdered by this religious nut case.

I would be very careful about slandering anyone. We are told not even to assail Satan with an accusation. Associating the ideas of Calvinism directly (and personally) with John Calvin are a little like saying everyone living in the modern UN-created State of Israel is a direct lineal descendant of the biblical Israelites - simply because the country has the same name. The connection needs to be established clearly - and all this is is a list of general things that happened - without making a clear connection with Calvin personally. Calvin did not rule Geneva. And he didn't have any real control until the mid 1550's (I've read 1554) - so most of this doesn't even have a link to Calvin. Only 1,2 and 15 deal with execution - and of those 1 and 2 are well before Calvin had control. He was involved in government, but charging him personally and directly with murder because he was in government for those incidents is example of a certain derangment - looking for any dirt to slander someone (and Moorman would certainly be a good candidate for that). Most of these don't give any context for the punishments and many of them would be right in line with standard civil punishments of the age. These are civil laws - in a situation we don't understand (the civil and religious being intertwined). Calvin may have agreed with much of this - though after Servetus he made it clear he felt the punishments for rank heresy needed to be loosened - but that doesn't change anything. He didn't rule Geneva as an autocrat.

And again, to slander someone because you violently disagree with their doctrine...brings you down to the level of the type of character you think you are attacking.
 
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marke

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I would be very careful about slandering anyone. We are told not even to assail Satan with an accusation. Associating the ideas of Calvinism directly (and personally) with John Calvin are a little like saying everyone living in the modern UN-created State of Israel is a direct lineal descendant of the biblical Israelites - simply because the country has the same name. The connection needs to be established clearly - and all this is is a list of general things that happened - without making a clear connection with Calvin personally. Calvin did not rule Geneva. And he didn't have any real control until the mid 1550's (I've read 1554) - so most of this doesn't even have a link to Calvin. Only 1,2 and 15 deal with execution - and of those 1 and 2 are well before Calvin had control. He was involved in government, but charging him personally and directly with murder because he was in government for those incidents is example of a certain derangment - looking for any dirt to slander someone (and Moorman would certainly be a good candidate for that). Most of these don't give any context for the punishments and many of them would be right in line with standard civil punishments of the age. These are civil laws - in a situation we don't understand (the civil and religious being intertwined). Calvin may have agreed with much of this - though after Servetus he made it clear he felt the punishments for rank heresy needed to be loosened - but that doesn't change anything. He didn't rule Geneva as an autocrat.

And again, to slander someone because you violently disagree with their doctrine...brings you down to the level of the type of character you think you are attacking.
Calvin must be held accountable for the unjust murders of innocent people acting under his authority and influence. If he is guilty do not defend him.

2 Timothy 4:14
Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works:
 

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I would be very careful about slandering anyone. We are told not even to assail Satan with an accusation. Associating the ideas of Calvinism directly (and personally) with John Calvin are a little like saying everyone living in the modern UN-created State of Israel is a direct lineal descendant of the biblical Israelites - simply because the country has the same name. The connection needs to be established clearly - and all this is is a list of general things that happened - without making a clear connection with Calvin personally. Calvin did not rule Geneva. And he didn't have any real control until the mid 1550's (I've read 1554) - so most of this doesn't even have a link to Calvin. Only 1,2 and 15 deal with execution - and of those 1 and 2 are well before Calvin had control. He was involved in government, but charging him personally and directly with murder because he was in government for those incidents is example of a certain derangment - looking for any dirt to slander someone (and Moorman would certainly be a good candidate for that). Most of these don't give any context for the punishments and many of them would be right in line with standard civil punishments of the age. These are civil laws - in a situation we don't understand (the civil and religious being intertwined). Calvin may have agreed with much of this - though after Servetus he made it clear he felt the punishments for rank heresy needed to be loosened - but that doesn't change anything. He didn't rule Geneva as an autocrat.

And again, to slander someone because you violently disagree with their doctrine...brings you down to the level of the type of character you think you are attacking.
Christians are called to reveal error and sin. This man was as evil as they come.
 

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Calvin must be held accountable

You realize Calvin lived from 1509-1564, right? He's been dead for nearly half a milennia...

Whether he believed in God or not, he has already been shown the error of his ways, and already been held to account.

There's no reason to attack Calvin. Attack his system, not the man himself. Otherwise you're making ad hominem attacks against a literal dead man.
 

marke

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You realize Calvin lived from 1509-1564, right? He's been dead for nearly half a milennia...

Whether he believed in God or not, he has already been shown the error of his ways, and already been held to account.

There's no reason to attack Calvin. Attack his system, not the man himself. Otherwise you're making ad hominem attacks against a literal dead man.
I don't mean Calvin must be tried for his crimes now. I mean nobody should promote the man today without admitting his crimes of the past. Calvin must be held accountable for his past crimes by those promoting him in the present.
 

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I would be very careful about slandering anyone. We are told not even to assail Satan with an accusation. Associating the ideas of Calvinism directly (and personally) with John Calvin are a little like saying everyone living in the modern UN-created State of Israel is a direct lineal descendant of the biblical Israelites - simply because the country has the same name. The connection needs to be established clearly - and all this is is a list of general things that happened - without making a clear connection with Calvin personally. Calvin did not rule Geneva. And he didn't have any real control until the mid 1550's (I've read 1554) - so most of this doesn't even have a link to Calvin. Only 1,2 and 15 deal with execution - and of those 1 and 2 are well before Calvin had control. He was involved in government, but charging him personally and directly with murder because he was in government for those incidents is example of a certain derangment - looking for any dirt to slander someone (and Moorman would certainly be a good candidate for that). Most of these don't give any context for the punishments and many of them would be right in line with standard civil punishments of the age. These are civil laws - in a situation we don't understand (the civil and religious being intertwined). Calvin may have agreed with much of this - though after Servetus he made it clear he felt the punishments for rank heresy needed to be loosened - but that doesn't change anything. He didn't rule Geneva as an autocrat.

And again, to slander someone because you violently disagree with their doctrine...brings you down to the level of the type of character you think you are attacking.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/slander-vs-libel
 

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You realize Calvin lived from 1509-1564, right? He's been dead for nearly half a milennia...

Whether he believed in God or not, he has already been shown the error of his ways, and already been held to account.

There's no reason to attack Calvin. Attack his system, not the man himself. Otherwise you're making ad hominem attacks against a literal dead man.

John Calvin was the founder of one of the most demonic religions ever conceived by the mind of man. When you cut a tree down you don't start at the top. You start at the bottom.
 

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John Calvin was the founder of one of the most demonic religions ever conceived by the mind of man. When you cut a tree down you don't start at the top. You start at the bottom.

Again: Attack the beliefs, not the person. Ad hominem is a fallacy for a reason.
 
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