The Perils of Political Propaganda: Mass Hysteria over Indiana

[Quincy]

And I have no idea how to deal with this phenomena except to 'call it out' for what it is. Even though I know that rarely has any meaningful effect.

It doesn't need to be dealt with, as in eliminated or persecuted. People who want to hold to the old social norms will get fed up with the mainstream and what they view as perversions. They'll take up self-imposed religious segregation like the Amish, for example. Segregation self-imposed by a minority is not the same as forced segregation by a majority that finds itself holier-than-thou. It's not a bad choice. If the center-right crowd decides to completely drop the traditional marriage stance, it'll be the only logical path because the far right won't get anywhere riding that ticket on its own.

 

[Saved.One.by.Grace]

And?

If you attend church, it makes sense to go to a church that matches your beliefs.

You can favor traditional marriage all you want, but if you're going to do it while or by being a bigot, expect to be called out on your bigotry.

Calling GFR7 a bigot for taking the Bible literally as written instead of reinterpretting it for the changing moral fiber (or lack there of) in today's society is bigotry also. We live in a secular society. We must all tolerate behaviors in others that we would not choose to participate in ourselves. In my lifetime, homosexuality has gone from perversion to forced acceptance. In my life, I have worked with and for gays and lesbians. They know I believe differently and they accept that. I treat them as I would treat anyone else, in a professional manner.

A conservative black couple my wife and I have a long-term relationship with encountered this event recently. The black woman walked into an Asian nail salon in the mid-South. The Asians immediately said, "No Blacks, No Blacks", as she entered the nail salon. She said no problem and left to take her business elsewhere. These are the times we live in. Some will scream bigotry and racism, while others will turn the other cheek. Who is the better Christian example?

 

[TracerBullet]

Calling GFR7 a bigot for taking the Bible literally as written instead of reinterpretting it for the changing moral fiber (or lack there of) in today's society is bigotry also. We live in a secular society. We must all tolerate behaviors in others that we would not choose to participate in ourselves. In my lifetime, homosexuality has gone from perversion to forced acceptance. In my life, I have worked with and for gays and lesbians. They know I believe differently and they accept that. I treat them as I would treat anyone else, in a professional manner.

A conservative black couple my wife and I have a long-term relationship with encountered this event recently. The black woman walked into an Asian nail salon in the mid-South. The Asians immediately said, "No Blacks, No Blacks", as she entered the nail salon. She said no problem and left to take her business elsewhere. These are the times we live in. Some will scream bigotry and racism, while others will turn the other cheek. Who is the better Christian example?

the better Christian example is the one where prejudice is confronted and denounced

 

[Saved.One.by.Grace]

the better Christian example is the one where prejudice is confronted and denounced

What New Testament scriptures are you using to back up that statement?

 

[annabenedetti]

Calling GFR7 a bigot for taking the Bible literally as written instead of reinterpretting it for the changing moral fiber (or lack there of) in today's society is bigotry also.

I didn't call him a bigot for taking the bible literally, I said:

"You can favor traditional marriage all you want, but if you're going to do it while or by being a bigot, expect to be called out on your bigotry."

Someone can favor traditional marriage without being a bigot, it's not an impossible feat.

We live in a secular society.

Yes, we do. There are those who would change that if they could, and for some, their frustration at not being able to codify their religious precepts can lead to bigoted behavior towards others who have no obligation to follow them.

A conservative black couple my wife and I have a long-term relationship with encountered this event recently. The black woman walked into an Asian nail salon in the mid-South. The Asians immediately said, "No Blacks, No Blacks", as she entered the nail salon. She said no problem and left to take her business elsewhere. These are the times we live in. Some will scream bigotry and racism, while others will turn the other cheek. Who is the better Christian example?

It's not "screaming" bigotry and racism to shine a light on it when it happens, call it what it is, and to work towards ending it. If everyone in the civil rights era had been content to turn the other cheek, perhaps there would still be 'whites only' establishments and townships and voting restrictions and societal acceptance of treating some people as less than others. I know you know these things, we're in agreement in many ways when it comes to civil rights history, so that's not a criticism of you at all.

The woman you know handled that situation with grace, but it never should have happened in the first place. It's dismaying that she had to endure it, and it goes to show that the ugliness of the past still lurks in the present day.

 

[Saved.One.by.Grace]

I didn't call him a bigot for taking the bible literally, I said:

"You can favor traditional marriage all you want, but if you're going to do it while or by being a bigot, expect to be called out on your bigotry."

Someone can favor traditional marriage without being a bigot, it's not an impossible feat.

Neither you or I support bigotry in any form. I am looking at the long term direction this country is going down. I read and heard from pedophiles who are waiting in the wings for the legitimization of homosexual behavior. What is a bridge too far? What line in the sand will society draw 30 - 40 years from now? I cannot separate my religious beliefs from my everyday living beliefs.

What happens when a Christian woman making craft jewelry is asked to make jewelry for a same sex marriage? If she refuses, she could be sued and lose everything she has. Is that justice? Isn't that intolerance?

Yes, we do. There are those who would change that if they could, and for some, their frustration at not being able to codify their religious precepts can lead to bigoted behavior towards others who have no obligation to follow them.

We have gone past codifying religious beliefs into law. The gay and lesbian lobby has won the battle for the hearts and minds of American secular society and secular humanism is now being codified into law.

It's not "screaming" bigotry and racism to shine a light on it when it happens, call it what it is, and to work towards ending it. If everyone in the civil rights era had been content to turn the other cheek, perhaps there would still be 'whites only' establishments and townships and voting restrictions and societal acceptance of treating some people as less than others. I know you know these things, we're in agreement in many ways when it comes to civil rights history, so that's not a criticism of you at all.

The woman you know handled that situation with grace, but it never should have happened in the first place. It's dismaying that she had to endure it, and it goes to show that the ugliness of the past still lurks in the present day.

I agree, it never should have happened but it did. The woman, her husband and children never experienced prejudice until they moved to the midwest from San Diego. Personally, I was surprised how much prejudice there was in Los Angeles when I lived there -- especially against the Spanish speaking population. We have a lot of work to do until we make the word bigotry repugnant, which it should be.

As always, it's a pleasure to talk to you.

 

[TracerBullet]

Neither you or I support bigotry in any form. I am looking at the long term direction this country is going down. I read and heard from pedophiles who are waiting in the wings for the legitimization of homosexual behavior.

did you read and hear that from any legitimate source? Or was it some anti-gay hate group?

What happens when a Christian woman making craft jewelry is asked to make jewelry for a same sex marriage? If she refuses, she could be sued and lose everything she has. Is that justice? Isn't that intolerance?

What happens when a Christian woman making craft jewelry refuses to make jewelry for an interracial marriage?

 

[Saved.One.by.Grace]

did you read and hear that from any legitimate source? Or was it some anti-gay hate group?

What happens when a Christian woman making craft jewelry refuses to make jewelry for an interracial marriage?

It was the head of MAMBLA I believe.

I don't believe you can equate interracial marriage with same sex marriage between homosexuals. I compliment you on following the talking points of the homosexual lobby. Back on Ignore you go. :wave:

 

[resodko]

It doesn't need to be dealt with, as in eliminated or persecuted. People who want to hold to the old social norms will get fed up with the mainstream and what they view as perversions.

like abortion, pornography, divorce, adultery? It’s why I unplugged ten years ago

Segregation self-imposed by a minority is not the same as forced segregation by a majority....

what if i dressed up in drag and sashayed my way into an amish church meeting, demanding that they allow me to participate?

should they be forced to let me?

 

[resodko]

What happens when a Christian woman making craft jewelry refuses to make jewelry for an interracial marriage?

what - like a korean and a native american?

why shouldn't she (your hypothetical Christian woman) be allowed the freedom to engage or not in a business relation with anybody for any reason?

for instance, if you showed up at her door and said "i want you to make me some jewelry", why shouldn't she be free to say "sorry, i don't like working for retards"?

 

[TracerBullet]

It was the head of MAMBLA I believe.

I don't believe you can equate interracial marriage with same sex marriage between homosexuals. I compliment you on following the talking points of the homosexual lobby. Back on Ignore you go. :wave:

Ignoring the truth doesn't make it go away.

 

[resodko]

Ignoring the truth doesn't make it go away.

what truth?

that you're a pervert-loving retard with an agenda?

 

[resodko]

You can favor traditional marriage all you want, but if you're going to do it while or by being a bigot, expect to be called out on your bigotry.

and anna finally reveals her true self – a clone of traci

 

[GFR7]

what if i dressed up in drag and sashayed my way into an amish church meeting, demanding that they allow me to participate?

:think: ................. :mock: :mock:

 

[HisServant]

the better Christian example is the one where prejudice is confronted and denounced

I don't remember Jesus confronting and denouncing anyone... ever.

He was compassionate, spoke in an authoritative and compassionate manner and told them to go and sin no more. The only time he was ever confrontational is when he cleared the money changers, but that was in his father house.

 

[Angel4Truth]

I didn't call him a bigot for taking the bible literally, I said:

"You can favor traditional marriage all you want, but if you're going to do it while or by being a bigot, expect to be called out on your bigotry."

Someone can favor traditional marriage without being a bigot, it's not an impossible feat.

Please define what you mean in the bolded statement.

Exactly how does one favor traditional marriage without being a bigot and by being a bigot. Example please.

 

[GFR7]

Please define what you mean in the bolded statement.

Exactly how does one favor traditional marriage without being a bigot and by being a bigot. Example please.

Don't you think a person can favor traditional marriage without holding irrational hatred and animus for gays in general?

 

[Town Heretic]

Don't you think a person can favor traditional marriage without holding irrational hatred and animus for gays in general?

I do. I've heard people who held the opinion that the Bible sets out this particular and that's where it begins and ends with me. Nothing wrong with that opinion or the person holding it.

The only caveat to that is that most of these same people have entered into a different contract with the state than what God says is necessary to suit Him. So there are really two conversations being conflated as one.

 

[GFR7]

I do. I've heard people who held the opinion that the Bible sets out this particular and that's where it begins and ends with me. Nothing wrong with that opinion or the person holding it.

The only caveat to that is that most of these same people have entered into a different contract with the state than what God says is necessary to suit Him. So there are really two conversations being conflated as one.

You're absolutely correct in that. But there is even a secular argument - and a strong one - against gay marriage, held even by some gays themselves. It limits its discourse to the empirical and leaves religion out altogether.

 

[PureX]

It's not about religion, per se. It's the difference between determining what's right for oneself, and determining what's right for everyone else, regardless of their own right to determine what's right for themselves. Wanting to do the latter is a form of bigotry. Religion doesn't really have anything to do with it, except that it's being used as an excuse.