Those verses say nothing about Gentiles becoming Jews.
The Origin of the Myth that the Chuch is 'Spiritual Israel'
- Thread starter Jerry Shugart
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Those verses say nothing about Gentiles becoming Jews.
:thumb: Jesus is Savior and was anointed by the Father as Christ through the Holy Spirit to sit on David's throne as ruler of the world.
Before he died the Savior did not serve as the Christ, i.e. he was not the world ruler. The Father made Jesus the Christ.
Epoisses
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Yea they do. Point blank and in your face. A Jew according to Paul was someone with a circumcised heart or being born again. Jews and Gentiles can both be born again.
Epoisses
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The verses say that the new covenant is NOT according to the covenant made with the fathers which was a covenant of works. The new covenant is based on faith and having the Holy Spirit write God's love in the heart. You ignore those words and make the old covenant and the new covenant the same thing.
Jerry Shugart
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I did no such thing!
I have always maintained that everyone who is saved is saved by faith through grace.
Of course you did nor even address the fact that in the future all of the physical descendants of Abraham, Issac and Jacob belonging to the houses of Israel and Judah will have their sins forgiven and therefore be saved.
Do you agree with that?
Jerry Shugart
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A Jew, according to Paul, is one who can believe or not believe:
"What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?" (Ro.3:1-3).
According to you a Jew is one who is born again but according to Paul a Jew can be someone without faith and is therefore not born again.
Point blank in your face!
Epoisses
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You and your heresy have written an expiration date into the grace of God when the church is raptured out and Israel returns to her famous old covenant law keeping. You neither understand prophecy or the new covenant which is intended for all those who live by faith in Christ and receive the Holy Spirit. Do you even know what the Holy Spirit is?
Epoisses
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A Jew or someone who belongs to the house of God is a born-again believer in Christ. Jesus said that which is born of the flesh is flesh and that which is born of the spirit is spirit. Only the spiritual believers in Christ are part of the Israel of God. The children of the flesh will be cast out along with the worshippers of the flesh like you. You have no faith.
Jerry Shugart
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No one is born again until they believe so when Paul uses the word "Jew" here it is obvious the reference is not to those who are born again:
"What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?" (Ro.3:1-3).
You prove that you cannot even understand the most simple things found in the Scriptures!
Epoisses
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Some verses are without doubt speaking to Jews of the flesh but others are speaking of Jews of the Spirit. I can acknowledge both while you can acknowledge only one because you don't have the Holy Spirit. Under the old covenant the houses were ethnic and of the flesh but under the new covenant they become spiritual and houses of faith. Earthly Jerusalem is calling her children home and the heavenly Jerusalem is calling hers as well - which way will you go?
Jerry Shugart
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All men who have been saved have all been saved by grace through faith.
Why are you mis-representing what I say?
Your ideas are so ridiculous because you must insist that the meaning of the word "Jew" the first time it is used in this passage is an entirely different meaning the next time it is used:
"But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. For what if some did not believe?" (Ro.2:29;3:1-3).
You say that in one sentence the word "Jew" means one thing and in the next sentence it means something entirely different.
Your spiritual I.Q. is practically ZERO, if that high!
beloved57
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False teaching. Those in the flesh can't please God Rom 8:8.
musterion
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Yet according to you, He still damns them for being unable to please Him.
Your god is a demonic idol.
Epoisses
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You totally spliced those chapters together, noob! The real Jew is one inwardly.
Jerry Shugart
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There are no chapter designations in the original Greek, doofus!
Jerry Shugart
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Do you think that the word "Jew" in this prophecy is referring to someone other than a person who is a physical descendant of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?:
"And it shall come to pass, that as ye were a curse among the heathen, O house of Judah, and house of Israel; so will I save you, and ye shall be a blessing...In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you" (Zech.8:13,23).
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