The Late Great Urantia Revelation

[Aimiel]

The spirit of religion is opposed to God. He didn't wish to establish a religion, or He would have done so. He designed Christianity to be a relationship. Religion is a natural off-spring of those who are in relationship with Him, none of which have EVERYTHING right (since we are still only human, even though we're forgiven if we're under The Blood). Those who love the children of God are easily recognized for that love for other Christian brothers and sisters. Those who don't love Christ and His sheep are apparent. He is The Only Lord and God and those who don't love His salvation, which means His Blood, don't love God at all.

 

[freelight]

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Faith in an institution, or a book isn't the same as living faith/trust in the indwelling spirit of God.


Caino

Correct. An institution or faith-community may help to facilitate and fortify ones personal faith in relationship to others...which is their proper function. But one must watch for exalting the cult or sect they belong to as a thing to 'worship' when only 'God' is that final and eternal value.

A truly liberated being is free to use all venues of knowledge of every tradition, school or culture...as a devotee of universal spirituality, although he may choose to associate or abide within any one given faith-tradition. As 'God' is the One Infinite Reality, that 'Presence' cannot be wholly contained or owned by any one sect, as 'God' is the eternal Spring from whence all streams flow.

You might as well try to put all the air you can capture in a glass bottle, or assume your cup of water is the entire ocean. - we could go on with 'metaphors'



Paulie

 

[Caino]

Jesus on life and death

Jesus on life and death

"When Jesus had thus spoken, he withdrew and prepared for the evening conference with his followers. At this conference it was decided to undertake a united mission throughout all the cities and villages of the Decapolis as soon as Jesus and the twelve should return from their proposed visit to Caesarea Philippi The Master participated in planning for the Decapolis mission and, in dismissing the company, said: “I say to you, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and the Sadducees. Be not deceived by their show of much learning and by their profound loyalty to the forms of religion. Be only concerned with the spirit of living truth and the power of true religion. It is not the fear of a dead religion that will save you but rather your faith in a living experience in the spiritual realities of the kingdom. Do not allow yourselves to become blinded by prejudice and paralyzed by fear. Neither permit reverence for the traditions so to pervert your understanding that your eyes see not and your ears hear not. It is not the purpose of true religion merely to bring peace but rather to insure progress. And there can be no peace in the heart or progress in the mind unless you fall wholeheartedly in love with truth, the ideals of eternal realities. The issues of life and death are being set before you—the sinful pleasures of time against the righteous realities of eternity. Even now you should begin to find deliverance from the bondage of fear and doubt as you enter upon the living of the new life of faith and hope. And when the feelings of service for your fellow men arise within your soul, do not stifle them; when the emotions of love for your neighbor well up within your heart, give expression to such urges of affection in intelligent ministry to the real needs of your fellows.”​

Caino

 

[Stuu]

Stuu: Hilarious. This was supposedly one person talking (you'd have to be pretty gullible to believe even that) and yet these famous fruitcakes refer to him by the third person plural pronoun.

The sum of your materialistic philosophy, as I have gleaned it from your constant criticism, demonstrates a gullibility of it's own; that mind evolved from mater all on it's own.

This is the logical fallacy of red herring. You obviously have no capacity for critical thinking on the question of believing these famously deluded people. All we can conclude is you share their delusion. This is not a matter of fact in the way that evolution by natural selection is a matter of fact. There is no probity in this nasty book of plagiarism. I think you should be a little more careful about this fabulous fraud committed on you by the Sadler / Kellogg conspirators. After all, they were prepared to steal from others without acknowledging that human intellectual property, instead attributing it to space beings. No matter what supernatural woo is or isn't involved, there is still a reasonable expectation that humans be acknowledged. But of course, as we have rehearsed before, much of the science in the Book of Plagiarism consists of wrong ideas of the 1950s and wrong fantasy speculation about cosmology. If you are going to be sucked in by that then your accusation of gullibility in my direction does not do a great deal to advertise your character.

There is also the point that, apparently, that the AUTHOR of the UB, William Sadler, "embraced the scientific consensus on evolution". So you would appear to disagree with him, at least.

You have all the components of the very practice of faith which you are so critical of in others.

Like what, for example? I don't take anything on faith. Faith is for those satisfied with not knowing. I am not claiming to know everything, but I am not satisfied to stop there. You are.

"Neither should science discount religious experience on grounds of credulity, not so long as it persists in the assumption that man’s intellectual and philosophic endowments emerged from increasingly lesser intelligences the further back they go, finally taking origin in primitive life which was utterly devoid of all thinking and feeling."

Only the ignorant and the mendacious assert that evolution by natural selection is "an assumption". What value is any of this fantasy story to you if it insists that you expects you to become a history denier?

Stuart

 

[Caino]

Stuu: Hilarious. This was supposedly one person talking (you'd have to be pretty gullible to believe even that) and yet these famous fruitcakes refer to him by the third person plural pronoun.



This is the logical fallacy of red herring. You obviously have no capacity for critical thinking on the question of believing these famously deluded people. All we can conclude is you share their delusion. This is not a matter of fact in the way that evolution by natural selection is a matter of fact. There is no probity in this nasty book of plagiarism. I think you should be a little more careful about this fabulous fraud committed on you by the Sadler / Kellogg conspirators. After all, they were prepared to steal from others without acknowledging that human intellectual property, instead attributing it to space beings. No matter what supernatural woo is or isn't involved, there is still a reasonable expectation that humans be acknowledged. But of course, as we have rehearsed before, much of the science in the Book of Plagiarism consists of wrong ideas of the 1950s and wrong fantasy speculation about cosmology. If you are going to be sucked in by that then your accusation of gullibility in my direction does not do a great deal to advertise your character.

There is also the point that, apparently, that the AUTHOR of the UB, William Sadler, "embraced the scientific consensus on evolution". So you would appear to disagree with him, at least.


Like what, for example? I don't take anything on faith. Faith is for those satisfied with not knowing. I am not claiming to know everything, but I am not satisfied to stop there. You are.


Only the ignorant and the mendacious assert that evolution by natural selection is "an assumption". What value is any of this fantasy story to you if it insists that you expects you to become a history denier?

Stuart

Stuu,



Your faith is in a "big bang", life just happened, means nothing etc. That’s just silly but you are entitled to your opinion. It is an inferior philosophy compared to the UB. You can stomp around and scream like a 5 year old kid but the UB just keeps kicking your butt with better answers then science.

No plagiarism, that’s been answered, the celestials said they would use human thoughts, they rearranged or corrected them and then organized them based on what is actually true. Science uses the previous discoveries of others to make new discoveries all the time. The EGO stuff is meaningless in the spiritual realm.

The UB teaches a form of "fostered" evolution, their assertions are greater then yours, get over it!



Caino

 

[Caino]

The Resurrection​

(2020.1) 189:0.1 SOON after the burial of Jesus on Friday afternoon, the chief of the archangels of Nebadon, then present on Urantia, summoned his council of the resurrection of sleeping will creatures and entered upon the consideration of a possible technique for the restoration of Jesus. These assembled sons of the local universe, the creatures of Michael, did this on their own responsibility; Gabriel had not assembled them. By midnight they had arrived at the conclusion that the creature could do nothing to facilitate the resurrection of the Creator. They were disposed to accept the advice of Gabriel, who instructed them that, since Michael had “laid down his life of his own free will, he also had power to take it up again in accordance with his own determination.” Shortly after the adjournment of this council of the archangels, the Life Carriers, and their various associates in the work of creature rehabilitation and morontia creation, the Personalized Adjuster of Jesus, being in personal command of the assembled celestial hosts then on Urantia, spoke these words to the anxious waiting watchers:

(2020.2) 189:0.2 “Not one of you can do aught to assist your Creator-father in the return to life. As a mortal of the realm he has experienced mortal death; as the Sovereign of a universe he still lives. That which you observe is the mortal transit of Jesus of Nazareth from life in the flesh to life in the morontia. The spirit transit of this Jesus was completed at the time I separated myself from his personality and became your temporary director. Your Creator-father has elected to pass through the whole of the experience of his mortal creatures, from birth on the material worlds, on through natural death and the resurrection of the morontia, into the status of true spirit existence. A certain phase of this experience you are about to observe, but you may not participate in it. Those things which you ordinarily do for the creature, you may not do for the Creator. A Creator Son has within himself the power to bestow himself in the likeness of any of his created sons; he has within himself the power to lay down his observable life and to take it up again; and he has this power because of the direct command of the Paradise Father, and I know whereof I speak.”

(2020.3) 189:0.3 When they heard the Personalized Adjuster so speak, they all assumed the attitude of anxious expectancy, from Gabriel down to the most humble cherubim. They saw the mortal body of Jesus in the tomb; they detected evidences of the universe activity of their beloved Sovereign; and not understanding such phenomena, they waited patiently for developments.



Caino

 

[Caino]

The Body of Christ

The Body of Christ

"Truth having to do with spiritual realities and eternal values cannot always be built up by a combination of apparent facts. Although individual facts may be materially true, it does not follow that the association of a group of facts must necessarily lead to truthful spiritual conclusions."​

The Material Body of Jesus​

(2022.5) 189:2.1 At ten minutes past three o’clock, as the resurrected Jesus fraternized with the assembled morontia personalities from the seven mansion worlds of Satania, the chief of archangels — the angels of the resurrection — approached Gabriel and asked for the mortal body of Jesus. Said the chief of the archangels: “We may not participate in the morontia resurrection of the bestowal experience of Michael our sovereign, but we would have his mortal remains put in our custody for immediate dissolution. We do not propose to employ our technique of dematerialization; we merely wish to invoke the process of accelerated time. It is enough that we have seen the Sovereign live and die on Urantia; the hosts of heaven would be spared the memory of enduring the sight of the slow decay of the human form of the Creator and Upholder of a universe. In the name of the celestial intelligences of all Nebadon, I ask for a mandate giving me the custody of the mortal body of Jesus of Nazareth and empowering us to proceed with its immediate dissolution.”

(2023.1) 189:2.2 And when Gabriel had conferred with the senior Most High of Edentia, the archangel spokesman for the celestial hosts was given permission to make such disposition of the physical remains of Jesus as he might determine.

(2023.2) 189:2.3 After the chief of archangels had been granted this request, he summoned to his assistance many of his fellows, together with a numerous host of the representatives of all orders of celestial personalities, and then, with the aid of the Urantia midwayers, proceeded to take possession of Jesus’ physical body. This body of death was a purely material creation; it was physical and literal; it could not be removed from the tomb as the morontia form of the resurrection had been able to escape the sealed sepulchre. By the aid of certain morontia auxiliary personalities, the morontia form can be made at one time as of the spirit so that it can become indifferent to ordinary matter, while at another time it can become discernible and contactable to material beings, such as the mortals of the realm.

(2023.3) 189:2.4 As they made ready to remove the body of Jesus from the tomb preparatory to according it the dignified and reverent disposal of near-instantaneous dissolution, it was assigned the secondary Urantia midwayers to roll away the stones from the entrance of the tomb. The larger of these two stones was a huge circular affair, much like a millstone, and it moved in a groove chiseled out of the rock, so that it could be rolled back and forth to open or close the tomb. When the watching Jewish guards and the Roman soldiers, in the dim light of the morning, saw this huge stone begin to roll away from the entrance of the tomb, apparently of its own accord — without any visible means to account for such motion — they were seized with fear and panic, and they fled in haste from the scene. The Jews fled to their homes, afterward going back to report these doings to their captain at the temple. The Romans fled to the fortress of Antonia and reported what they had seen to the centurion as soon as he arrived on duty.

(2023.4) 189:2.5 The Jewish leaders began the sordid business of supposedly getting rid of Jesus by offering bribes to the traitorous Judas, and now, when confronted with this embarrassing situation, instead of thinking of punishing the guards who deserted their post, they resorted to bribing these guards and the Roman soldiers. They paid each of these twenty men a sum of money and instructed them to say to all: “While we slept during the nighttime, his disciples came upon us and took away the body.” And the Jewish leaders made solemn promises to the soldiers to defend them before Pilate in case it should ever come to the governor’s knowledge that they had accepted a bribe.

(2023.5) 189:2.6 The Christian belief in the resurrection of Jesus has been based on the fact of the “empty tomb.” It was indeed a fact that the tomb was empty, but this is not the truth of the resurrection. The tomb was truly empty when the first believers arrived, and this fact, associated with that of the undoubted resurrection of the Master, led to the formulation of a belief which was not true: the teaching that the material and mortal body of Jesus was raised from the grave. Truth having to do with spiritual realities and eternal values cannot always be built up by a combination of apparent facts. Although individual facts may be materially true, it does not follow that the association of a group of facts must necessarily lead to truthful spiritual conclusions.


(2023.6) 189:2.7 The tomb of Joseph was empty, not because the body of Jesus had been rehabilitated or resurrected, but because the celestial hosts had been granted their request to afford it a special and unique dissolution, a return of the “dust to dust,” without the intervention of the delays of time and without the operation of the ordinary and visible processes of mortal decay and material corruption.

(2024.1) 189:2.8 The mortal remains of Jesus underwent the same natural process of elemental disintegration as characterizes all human bodies on earth except that, in point of time, this natural mode of dissolution was greatly accelerated, hastened to that point where it became well-nigh instantaneous.

(2024.2) 189:2.9 The true evidences of the resurrection of Michael are spiritual in nature, albeit this teaching is corroborated by the testimony of many mortals of the realm who met, recognized, and communed with the resurrected morontia Master. He became a part of the personal experience of almost one thousand human beings before he finally took leave of Urantia.




Caino

 

[Aimiel]

The Christian belief in the resurrection of Jesus has been based on the fact of the “empty tomb.” It was indeed a fact that the tomb was empty, but this is not the truth of the resurrection. The tomb was truly empty when the first believers arrived, and this fact, associated with that of the undoubted resurrection of the Master, led to the formulation of a belief which was not true: the teaching that the material and mortal body of Jesus was raised from the grave. Truth having to do with spiritual realities and eternal values cannot always be built up by a combination of apparent facts. Although individual facts may be materially true, it does not follow that the association of a group of facts must necessarily lead to truthful spiritual conclusions.

Nevertheless, He did arise from the dead, as He said He would, having spoiled ALL principalities, powers and rulers of the darkness of this world, whom: had they known His Plan would never have crucified The Lord of Glory. The fact that He was put to death having never sinned makes His Blood our redemption. It's a mystery still to the powers of darkness and His Blood cannot be stopped.

 

[Charity]

Nevertheless, He did arise from the dead, as He said He would, having spoiled ALL principalities, powers and rulers of the darkness of this world, whom: had they known His Plan would never have crucified The Lord of Glory. The fact that He was put to death having never sinned makes His Blood our redemption. It's a mystery still to the powers of darkness and His Blood cannot be stopped.

yes, an what do you think about all the babies that were destroyed after the three wise men dropped by the palace to notify them that the new king was about to be born; a threat their throne. anyway, such as they have the cheek to say mary walzed down to the chapel bought her sacrifice an did her after birth sacrifice an offering...while other mothers were heart broken. If mary dose that for them, then respect is due?

You might not believe the truth if you heard it?

 

[Aimiel]

Herod putting babies to death isn't the wise men's fault or Mary's fault. It's Herod's fault. If you want to believe that Mary did some kind of pagan ritual it's your belief, but has nothing to do with reality. Truth is: Scripture doesn't lie.

 

[Charity]

Herod putting babies to death isn't the wise men's fault or Mary's fault. It's Herod's fault. If you want to believe that Mary did some kind of pagan ritual it's your belief, but has nothing to do with reality. Truth is: Scripture doesn't lie.

The scripture...After Jesus was born, Mary kills 2 birds as a sacrifice, according to The Law of Moses. (Luke 2:22-25)

 

[Charity]

Herod putting babies to death isn't the wise men's fault or Mary's fault. It's Herod's fault. If you want to believe that Mary did some kind of pagan ritual it's your belief, but has nothing to do with reality. Truth is: Scripture doesn't lie.

wHO'S WRITING this, SEEMS LIKE THEY FANCY NEITHER PARTY....
MOCKING IS nAUGHTY! an The KILLING is as NORMAL for GOVERNMENT, people lives are nothings in their eye's?

Mat 2:16 ¶ Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the wise men.

an then..as suggested, Mary Walzes into Jeruselem with the Baby Jesus...even thou she not lawfully allowed to be in the city anyway!

Next....An Adoption witts at 30??

 

[Aimiel]

The scripture...After Jesus was born, Mary kills 2 birds as a sacrifice, according to The Law of Moses. (Luke 2:22-25)

Sorry... due to your poor grammar: I thought that you were saying she offered her afterbirth. It's really hard to make sense of your posts sometimes, due to your writing style.

 

[Charity]

Sorry... due to your poor grammar: I thought that you were saying she offered her afterbirth. It's really hard to make sense of your posts sometimes, due to your writing style.

Yes I understand this is a problem.

Some times it comes out clear.

the souls not attached to the body, I guess I listen to the soul Talking.


Rather hard to explain, works better for me to think down inside rather than from the brain..i KNOW WE ALL HAVE A WONDERFUL GIFT,
wither you treat the trumpet inside as the spirit of Jesus or not, there is a marvelous thing happen with in all. genus, can only be the connection to Judgement.

 

[Caino]

Yes I understand this is a problem.

Some times it comes out clear.

the souls not attached to the body, I guess I listen to the soul Talking.


Rather hard to explain, works better for me to think down inside rather than from the brain..i KNOW WE ALL HAVE A WONDERFUL GIFT, with you treat it as Jesus spirit or not, there is a marvelous thing happen with in all. can only be the connection to Judgement.

"The divine spirit makes contact with mortal man, not by feelings or emotions, but in the realm of the highest and most spiritualized thinking. It is your thoughts, not your feelings, that lead you Godward. The divine nature may be perceived only with the eyes of the mind. But the mind that really discerns God, hears the indwelling Adjuster, is the pure mind. “Without holiness no man may see the Lord.” All such inner and spiritual communion is termed spiritual insight. Such religious experiences result from the impress made upon the mind of man by the combined operations of the Adjuster and the Spirit of Truth as they function amid and upon the ideas, ideals, insights, and spirit strivings of the evolving sons of God.

(1105.1) 101:1.4 Religion lives and prospers, then, not by sight and feeling, but rather by faith and insight. It consists not in the discovery of new facts or in the finding of a unique experience, but rather in the discovery of new and spiritual meanings in facts already well known to mankind. The highest religious experience is not dependent on prior acts of belief, tradition, and authority; neither is religion the offspring of sublime feelings and purely mystical emotions. It is, rather, a profoundly deep and actual experience of spiritual communion with the spirit influences resident within the human mind, and as far as such an experience is definable in terms of psychology, it is simply the experience of experiencing the reality of believing in God as the reality of such a purely personal experience.

(1105.2) 101:1.5 While religion is not the product of the rationalistic speculations of a material cosmology, it is, nonetheless, the creation of a wholly rational insight which originates in man’s mind-experience. Religion is born neither of mystic meditations nor of isolated contemplations, albeit it is ever more or less mysterious and always indefinable and inexplicable in terms of purely intellectual reason and philosophic logic. The germs of true religion originate in the domain of man’s moral consciousness, and they are revealed in the growth of man’s spiritual insight, that faculty of human personality which accrues as a consequence of the presence of the God-revealing Thought Adjuster in the God-hungry mortal mind."



Caino

 

[Charity]

foundations such as one owns the whole universe, an having spoiled ALL principalities, powers and rulers has forced life to exist at the x-spence of clarity.

One may not own an explore; an own their own soul experience, because it to; has been exchanged for a spirit theory. the witness is; Many different Jesus's spirits warning away. while truth comes an go's

 

[Caino]

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Caino

 

[Stuu]

Your faith is in a "big bang", life just happened, means nothing etc.

Thanks for telling me what I believe. Appreciate that. Perhaps you would care to explain the background microwave radiation.

That’s just silly but you are entitled to your opinion.

It's not my opinion, it's your moronic strawman. Are you a moron?

It is an inferior philosophy compared to the UB.

You mean the book that believes the universe is trillions of years old? Is believing a religion made up by a crackpot superior to the fact that actually the universe is 13.7 billion years old? Maybe reality is inferior for crackpots.

You can stomp around and scream like a 5 year old kid but the UB just keeps kicking your butt with better answers then science.

No, I think you will find that it gives SOME answers that actually WERE stolen from real science, some of which were corrected after the publication of the Book of Plagiarism thereby freezing in print things that were subsequently shown to be wrong, and lies that misrepresent the real science amongst which they are interspersed.

No plagiarism, that’s been answered,

Yes plagiarism, it steals without reference to the original authors. The only reason the author (a Mr. Sadler, by the way) is left as "mysterious" is that he should have been up for theft of intellectual property. As it is, he waited until a significant number of the important "contributing" scientists who did the real work had died (Rutherford and Einstein, for example) before abusing their memory with the publication of this grubby and forgettable little effort.

the celestials

The WHAT?? Hilarious.

said they would use human thoughts, they rearranged or corrected them and then organized them based on what is actually true.

But you don't have the first clue about what is true. You have demonstrated that on numerous occasions. And you don't understand intellectual honesty, and you clearly don't respect intellectual property.

Science uses the previous discoveries of others to make new discoveries all the time.

"If I have seen further, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants".- Isaac Newton

You, on the other hand, are standing on the shoulders of crackpots looking backwards at the ideas science rejected, as much as the ones it kept as good. Your book just steals from giants. I suppose if you have nothing to offer humanity, you can always steal something from those who do have something to offer, and offer that to us instead. Of course it is immoral and illegal to do that without asking, and without citing the source.

Here is my own quote from the Urantia Book, Ch57 (note the acknowledgement of the source there Caino, it is something you also do that your book of theft fails to do):

57:1.3 987,000,000,000 years ago associate force organizer and then acting inspector number 811,307 of the Orvonton series, traveling out from Uversa, reported to the Ancients of Days that space conditions were favorable for the initiation of materialization phenomena in a certain sector of the, then, easterly segment of Orvonton.

Now, if you didn't laugh at this extract as poorly-constructed science fiction then you are as gullible as the most ignorant Young Earth Creationist. The YEC believes the earth is less than 10,000 years, and the UB follower believes the universe is at least 987 billion years old. The YEC must believe the distance from New York to Los Angeles is a matter of a few miles, and the UB promoter must think it is more than 207,000 miles, actually the distance traveled in circumnavigating the earth nearly 33 times. Moronic.

This appears a little earlier:

57:1.1 Urantia is of origin in your sun

No it's not. Planets that can support our kind of life have elements that arose in a supernova. Our sun (presumably the one to which it refers, since we do call our star the sun) has never been a supernova and will never be one. Also moronic.

I note that there is one thing you fail to do, Caino, and it is that you never post any of this kind of really absurd nonsense from the UB. Are you afraid to do that?

The EGO stuff is meaningless in the spiritual realm.

You seem to have this egocentric attitude that it is only you who knows what is written in the Tracts That Stole Without Acknowledgment (showing no confidence in the likelihood that anyone would read the vast tracts of it you discourteously copy - ironically - and paste here).

The UB teaches a form of "fostered" evolution, their assertions are greater then yours, get over it!

And what is the theory of "fostered evolution" that explains the evidence at least as well as natural selection explains the fact of evolution?

Stuart

 

[Caino]

Thanks for telling me what I believe. Appreciate that. Perhaps you would care to explain the background microwave radiation.


It's not my opinion, it's your moronic strawman. Are you a moron?


You mean the book that believes the universe is trillions of years old? Is believing a religion made up by a crackpot superior to the fact that actually the universe is 13.7 billion years old? Maybe reality is inferior for crackpots.


No, I think you will find that it gives SOME answers that actually WERE stolen from real science, some of which were corrected after the publication of the Book of Plagiarism thereby freezing in print things that were subsequently shown to be wrong, and lies that misrepresent the real science amongst which they are interspersed.


Yes plagiarism, it steals without reference to the original authors. The only reason the author (a Mr. Sadler, by the way) is left as "mysterious" is that he should have been up for theft of intellectual property. As it is, he waited until a significant number of the important "contributing" scientists who did the real work had died (Rutherford and Einstein, for example) before abusing their memory with the publication of this grubby and forgettable little effort.


The WHAT?? Hilarious.


But you don't have the first clue about what is true. You have demonstrated that on numerous occasions. And you don't understand intellectual honesty, and you clearly don't respect intellectual property.


"If I have seen further, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants".- Isaac Newton

You, on the other hand, are standing on the shoulders of crackpots looking backwards at the ideas science rejected, as much as the ones it kept as good. Your book just steals from giants. I suppose if you have nothing to offer humanity, you can always steal something from those who do have something to offer, and offer that to us instead. Of course it is immoral and illegal to do that without asking, and without citing the source.

Here is my own quote from the Urantia Book, Ch57 (note the acknowledgement of the source there Caino, it is something you also do that your book of theft fails to do):

57:1.3 987,000,000,000 years ago associate force organizer and then acting inspector number 811,307 of the Orvonton series, traveling out from Uversa, reported to the Ancients of Days that space conditions were favorable for the initiation of materialization phenomena in a certain sector of the, then, easterly segment of Orvonton.

Now, if you didn't laugh at this extract as poorly-constructed science fiction then you are as gullible as the most ignorant Young Earth Creationist. The YEC believes the earth is less than 10,000 years, and the UB follower believes the universe is at least 987 billion years old. The YEC must believe the distance from New York to Los Angeles is a matter of a few miles, and the UB promoter must think it is more than 207,000 miles, actually the distance traveled in circumnavigating the earth nearly 33 times. Moronic.

This appears a little earlier:

57:1.1 Urantia is of origin in your sun

No it's not. Planets that can support our kind of life have elements that arose in a supernova. Our sun (presumably the one to which it refers, since we do call our star the sun) has never been a supernova and will never be one. Also moronic.

I note that there is one thing you fail to do, Caino, and it is that you never post any of this kind of really absurd nonsense from the UB. Are you afraid to do that?


You seem to have this egocentric attitude that it is only you who knows what is written in the Tracts That Stole Without Acknowledgment (showing no confidence in the likelihood that anyone would read the vast tracts of it you discourteously copy - ironically - and paste here).


And what is the theory of "fostered evolution" that explains the evidence at least as well as natural selection explains the fact of evolution?

Stuart

* the UB explains that the universe expands and contracts on 1 billion year cycles.

This is from the UB stuu, I don't know of any scientist saying this in 55?

Space Respiration

(123.3) 11:6.1 We do not know the actual mechanism of space respiration; we merely observe that all space alternately contracts and expands. This respiration affects both the horizontal extension of pervaded space and the vertical extensions of unpervaded space which exist in the vast space reservoirs above and below Paradise. In attempting to imagine the volume outlines of these space reservoirs, you might think of an hourglass.

(123.4) 11:6.2 As the universes of the horizontal extension of pervaded space expand, the reservoirs of the vertical extension of unpervaded space contract and vice versa. There is a confluence of pervaded and unpervaded space just underneath nether Paradise. Both types of space there flow through the transmuting regulation channels, where changes are wrought making pervadable space nonpervadable and vice versa in the contraction and expansion cycles of the cosmos.

(123.5) 11:6.3 “Unpervaded” space means: unpervaded by those forces, energies, powers, and presences known to exist in pervaded space. We do not know whether vertical (reservoir) space is destined always to function as the equipoise of horizontal (universe) space; we do not know whether there is a creative intent concerning unpervaded space; we really know very little about the space reservoirs, merely that they exist, and that they seem to counterbalance the space-expansion-contraction cycles of the universe of universes.

(123.6) 11:6.4 The cycles of space respiration extend in each phase for a little more than one billion Urantia years. During one phase the universes expand; during the next they contract. Pervaded space is now approaching the mid-point of the expanding phase, while unpervaded space nears the mid-point of the contracting phase, and we are informed that the outermost limits of both space extensions are, theoretically, now approximately equidistant from Paradise. The unpervaded-space reservoirs now extend vertically above upper Paradise and below nether Paradise just as far as the pervaded space of the universe extends horizontally outward from peripheral Paradise to and even beyond the fourth outer space level.

(124.1) 11:6.5 For a billion years of Urantia time the space reservoirs contract while the master universe and the force activities of all horizontal space expand. It thus requires a little over two billion Urantia years to complete the entire expansion-contraction cycle.

* your plagiarism accusation is a big to do over nothing.


"in all our efforts to reveal truth and co-ordinate essential knowledge, give preference to the highest existing human concepts pertaining to the subjects to be presented. We may resort to pure revelation only when the concept of presentation has had no adequate previous expression by the human mind."

"we have selected as the basis of these papers more than one thousand human concepts representing the highest and most advanced planetary knowledge of spiritual values and universe meanings. Wherein these human concepts, assembled from the God-knowing mortals of the past and the present, are inadequate to portray the truth as we are directed to reveal it, we will unhesitatingly supplement them, for this purpose drawing upon our own superior knowledge of the reality and divinity of the Paradise Deities and their transcendent residential universe."


* The UB makes a number of unsubstantiated scientific statements, time will reveal if in fact they are dead wrong! Maybe we are not all as smart as you stuu, but it seems an elimentary assumption to me that, if somewone wanted to fool the world they would know better then to make such outrageous claims and deminish the other phylisophical content. Why go to such great lengths to put so much unsubstantiated science in the tome at all????? Saddler never made any money of the book, never claimed to have written it, and willed much of his meager estate to the trust, namley his home. But maybe thats just all part of the grand conspiracy, like the 12 Jewsish fisherman who forsook their sacred religion to follow a carpenter from Nazereth, bringing shame, humiliartion and death upon themselves and their families.

* Stuu, you speak as if all your facts are settled, that science won't ever change your facts.


Caino

 

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HEROD ACTS​

122:10.1 But the watchers for Herod were not inactive. When they reported to him the visit of the priests of Ur to Bethlehem, Herod summoned these Chaldeans to appear before him. He inquired diligently of these wise men about the new "king of the Jews," but they gave him little satisfaction, explaining that the babe had been born of a woman who had come down to Bethlehem with her husband for the census enrollment. Herod, not being satisfied with this answer, sent them forth with a purse and directed that they should find the child so that he too might come and worship him, since they had declared that his kingdom was to be spiritual, not temporal. But when the wise men did not return, Herod grew suspicious. As he turned these things over in his mind, his informers returned and made full report of the recent occurrences in the temple, bringing him a copy of parts of the Simeon song which had been sung at the redemption ceremonies of Jesus. But they had failed to follow Joseph and Mary, and Herod was very angry with them when they could not tell him whither the pair had taken the babe. He then dispatched searchers to locate Joseph and Mary. Knowing Herod pursued the Nazareth family, Zacharias and Elizabeth remained away from Bethlehem. The boy baby was secreted with Joseph’s relatives.

122:10.2 Joseph was afraid to seek work, and their small savings were rapidly disappearing. Even at the time of the purification ceremonies at the temple, Joseph deemed himself sufficiently poor to warrant his offering for Mary two young pigeons as Moses had directed for the purification of mothers among the poor.

122:10.3 When, after more than a year of searching, Herod’s spies had not located Jesus, and because of the suspicion that the babe was still concealed in Bethlehem, he prepared an order directing that a systematic search be made of every house in Bethlehem, and that all boy babies under two years of age should be killed. In this manner Herod hoped to make sure that this child who was to become "king of the Jews" would be destroyed. And thus perished in one day sixteen boy babies in Bethlehem of Judea. But intrigue and murder, even in his own immediate family, were common occurrences at the court of Herod.

122:10.4 The massacre of these infants took place about the middle of October, 6 B.C., when Jesus was a little over one year of age. But there were believers in the coming Messiah even among Herod’s court attachés, and one of these, learning of the order to slaughter the Bethlehem boy babies, communicated with Zacharias, who in turn dispatched a messenger to Joseph; and the night before the massacre Joseph and Mary departed from Bethlehem with the babe for Alexandria in Egypt. In order to avoid attracting attention, they journeyed alone to Egypt with Jesus. They went to Alexandria on funds provided by Zacharias, and there Joseph worked at his trade while Mary and Jesus lodged with well-to-do relatives of Joseph’s family. They sojourned in Alexandria two full years, not returning to Bethlehem until after the death of Herod.



Caino