The land of high perversion and dead babies goes self-righteous on Trump?
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So now you side with a pro-abortionist. You really are a hypocrite and a liar. I am going to have to save that to throw in your stupid face from now on.
DavidK
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Abortion is evil. This truth is at the top of the list of reasons why I can't vote for Hillary.
I don't know how to make this more clear for you.
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Quetzal
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If you are looking for truth/honesty, Trump has a worse tale-of-the-tape. But I don't suspect that really matters to Trump supporters or they wouldn't be voting for him.
Yet you'll both vote for someone who admires Planned Parenthood (our nation's #1 abortion provider) and not that very long ago was for partial birth abortion?
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If you're not voting for Trump then you are helping elect Hillary. I don't know how to make THAT more clear to YOU. And if you think you're not then you are fooling yourself.
DavidK
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No. I'm not voting for Trump.
I'm trying to accomplish the Sisyphean task of getting it through to CatholicCrusader that being against Trump does not make me for Hillary.
The false dichotomy is so strong that any comment against Trump gets one labeled a Hillary supporter, and any correction of that gets one labeled a Trump supporter. Maybe I need to put "I'm not voting for either of them!" in my .sig for clarity and efficiency.
DavidK
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You can say that as many times as you want, and it still won't be true.
If you tell me to choose between you shooting one person or another or you'll shoot both, if I refuse to choose it'll still be you pulling the trigger.
It's not like I'm sitting out this election. I'll be voting down ballot. I'm engaging in speaking truth in love. I'm voting on my knees before the throne of heaven.
I'm just not picking between two flavors of anti-christ for president.
If you think that you'll ever reason with these moral relativist Trump supporters (many who were Libertarians prior to supporting Trump on the Republican Party ticket), you'll be typing until your fingers turn blue and still won't have convinced them.
They've called me every filthy name in the book for not jumping on the Trump bandwagon. There are those who don't want to see a Clinton victory (for example Franklin Graham and other evangelical Christian leaders) and then there are those who actually like Donald Trump's policies (pro LGBTQ, pro socialist, etc.).
TOL's Trumpeteers fall into the latter category.
I said, if you're not VOTING for Trump then you are helping elect Hillary. That is not a false dichotomy, its a fact, and that's because YOUR vote would normally be a conservative vote (I assume) and therefore not voting for Trump is a loss of a vote in the conservative column.
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The way I understood the American voting system is that you and others who call themselves "Christian" (around 60% or more of the US population I'm told) could actually vote for someone like Darrell Castle of the Constitution Party and elect a real God-fearing conservative.
But like I told Dave: Many of you actually embrace Donald Trump's moral relativist ideology.
DavidK
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It's not a fact, and is the very definition of a false dichotomy. You are presenting only two choices, help elect one, or help elect the other.
I've been a critic of both parties, and find the idea that I am withdrawing a vote otherwise guaranteed to the Republicans to be at the core of what has been rotten in the relationship between the GOP and Christians for at least a couple of decades now (and probably a lot longer).
Actually Dave the Republican Party Platform, as it's always been, is extremely pro God. Unfortunately those that vote republican don't hold their candidates up to those Platform standards.
DavidK
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Pretty much the gap I was thinking of.
It's one thing to write platforms and another to make a serious attempt at legislating. The GOP has counted on Christian support because of conservative social policy, but seems to have a lot more will to advance conservative economic policy once the election is over. The Republican party has taken the Evangelical vote for granted for a long time, rather than making a serious attempt to earn it.
I acknowledge that this is a broad generalization, but the idea that I am somehow withdrawing a vote that rightfully belongs to the party out of some petty self-righteousness over Trump's uncouth behavior speaks to it.
MarcATL
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That's what I thought, you don't.
So was he lying then, or now? And how do you know when to take him at his word?
You really can't wiggle your way out in defense of this fraudster, Amnesty Don.
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ClimateSanity
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Wriggle out of what exactly? A false accusation? I don't know he was lying and you don't know he was telling the truth. On what basis do you make your claim? Your assumption he is a dirt bag that does that kind of thing?
My claim is based on what has been proven about Donald and about braggadocios men in general.
Everyone lies. How do you know when anyone is telling the truth?
If you don't think there is a higher likihood for someone to lie on the stern show than they would under normal circumstances, you are more naive than you seem.
The truth is you hate trump and will easily believe the worst about him.
Catholic Crusader, there still would have been millions and millions of illegal abortipns in America if Rope v Wade had never happened, and if abortion becomes illegal again in America, millions and millions more will continue to happen. Plus the deaths of many,many poor women .
As far as abortion is concerned, no president is going to make it disappear. It's just a reality one should accept, and not letting a delusion cause one to vote for someone who is going to wreck other matters.
If you vote for Trump, you are guaranteed that nothing is going to change with abortion. However, if you vote for Hillary, she's going to make it more accessible, and blur the line between what is ethical by secular standards and what is universally unethical. She's going to make it harder for men to succeed and have more children born in fatherless homes.
So this whole conflating Hilary and Trump on abortion- it's stupid
If you vote for Trump, you are guaranteed that nothing is going to change with abortion. However, if you vote for Hillary, she's going to make it more accessible, and blur the line between what is ethical by secular standards and what is universally unethical. She's going to make it harder for men to succeed and have more children born in fatherless homes.
So this whole conflating Hilary and Trump on abortion- it's stupid