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All the Bible is for us, and became to us when we come to the Lord to be saved.
John 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself."
"The Just (Justified) Shall Live By Faith, " Romans 1:17
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All the Bible is for us, and became to us when we come to the Lord to be saved.
John 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself."
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They are no longer needed because faith that Jesus' blood makes us clean is what makes us clean. HOWEVER, that does NOT mean we no longer have to obey God, it means we no longer have to get circumcised and no longer have to sacrifice animals.
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What does Jesus' blood do?
Jesus' blood CLEANS US.
How did the Jews USED TO HAVE TO clean themselves?
They used to do the ceremonial works, such as get circumcised and sacrifice animals.
SO THEN, what makes it a free gift?
Not having to do works to clean ourselves makes it a free gift.
Obeying God does NOT disqualify someone for the free gift!
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Romans 2:11 For God does not show favoritism.
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It is never ever wrong to obey God.
There is NOT a bad or wrong time to obey God, especially when one wants to be saved.
Just listen to yourself, you are condemning obedience.
Robert Pate and you both preach no one can obey before they are saved---AND IF THEY DO---THEY ARE CONDEMNED.
Neither one of you can be reasoned with, you both have been ensnared.
Even a Catholic and a Mormon can obey God by not having sex before marriage. THAT obedience is NOT what condemns them. What condemns them is not furthering their obedience.
Obedience to God is not what separates us from God. What separates us from God is when we do NOT obey Him.
Isaiah 59:2 But your iniquities have separated you from your God; your sins have hidden his face from you, so that he will not hear.
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Not all who call on Jesus, "Lord, Lord" will be saved.
What did they do Robert?
They called on the Lord, did they not?
They called on Jesus, "Lord, Lord..."
Why was THEIR CALLING ON THE LORD ineffective?
I will tell you why, it is because they did NOT OBEY.
Luke 6:46 "Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say?
Did you read that and hear?
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Just listen to your absurdity. You, and Robert claim that a person is disqualified for salvation if they do what Jesus says to do.
Robert argues that no, we are only having faith, we are not doing anything else.
You argue against Robert by saying watch out, for faith is obedience, and it will condemn you.
NEITHER ONE OF YOU see the twisted teachings handed down to you.
beloved57
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You and pate teach salvation by works, a damnable heresy!
God called, none answered
Tulip say God made believers willing
That's a lie. Millions have heard and believe. I am one of them.
I can't find anywhere in the Bible where it says we are saved by faith plus our obedience.
Your obedience is not going to count in the judgment because you are a sinner, Romans 3:10.
Cause God made them willing.
You willed it on your own without God.
Big difference!
We can tell by your continuous everyday boastings.
The Holy Spirit called and I answered.
Just like those on the day of Pentecost, Acts 2:41.
The Holy Spirit is present in the Gospel. We hear, we believe and we are saved,
If you answered you wouldn't be talking like you do.
"So then faith comes by hearing (The Gospel) and hearing by the word of God (The Gospel) Romans 10:17.
Nanja
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A dead man can't hear. Hearing comes by having Life.
Hence, a person cannot hear the Gospel unto Salvation
if he is not Born of God.
John 8:47
He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not,
because ye are not of God.
But God gives Spiritual Life John 3:6 and the Hearing Ear to all His Election of Grace Prov. 20:12 because He ordained them to Eternal Life Acts 13:48.
2 Thes. 2:13-14
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord
Jesus Christ.
~~~~~
genuineoriginal
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Not quite.
Here is a better translation of original verse that Paul was quoting:
Habakkuk 2:4 CJB 4 “Look at the proud: he is inwardly not upright; but the righteous will attain life through trusting faithfulness. |
Notice that it says nothing about "justified", but it does mention the "righteous".
Also, faith is correctly translated as trusting faithfulness instead of the dead belief without works that you think is faith.
You have it backwards.
In Acts Chapter 2, they heard the Gospel, they believed the Gospel and they received the Holy Spirit.
Paul said to the Galatians, "Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law (because you did something) or by the hearing of faith? (hearing and believing the Gospel) Galatians 3:2.
The Holy Spirit is only present in the Gospel. There is no other way that you can receive the Holy Spirit.
That is not a better translation. That is Old Testament stuff.
Paul said that, "There is none righteous, no, not one" Romans 3:10.
I'll stick with Paul.