What if I don't go to Mass half of the time?
The Joys of Catholicism
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For the Catholics that read the thread...many in the religion of Christianity dunk in a tank claiming they are making an outward expression of their faith. Even though the Bible (through Paul) says you do it with your words.
Let's start at the starting line. The book for the priests, Leviticus.
6 the person who has touched any such thing shall be unclean until evening, and shall not eat the holy offerings unless he washes his body with water. 7 And when the sun goes down he shall be clean; and afterward he may eat the holy offerings, because it is his food. 8 Whatever dies naturally or is torn by beasts he shall not eat, to defile himself with it: I am the Lord.
It is a ceremonial cleansing of sin. This church in the wilderness is to be a nation of priests. In the future. In their kingdom.
6 And you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words which you shall speak to the children of Israel.”
Pay attention to the details from John. Who is doing what. John the Baptist was washing Israelites who didn't touch anything. He was cleansing all. This will be a conglomerate for you. John knows the kingdom is coming, he knows the scriptures. But he only knows what isn't hidden.
5 Then Jerusalem, all Judea, and all the region around the Jordan went out to him 6 and were baptized by him in the Jordan, confessing their sins.
19 Now this is the testimony of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, “Who are you?”
13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to John at the Jordan to be baptized by him. 14 And John tried to prevent Him, saying, “I need to be baptized by You, and are You coming to me?”
15 But Jesus answered and said to him, “Permit it to be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he allowed Him.
He kept the law in our place. And specifically to keep the law of Moses. Even though he was without sin. Knowing washing with water was for Israel who was looking forward, how do you wash sin with water after the cross? That isn't rhetorical. Because you still have sin?
10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.
Boast in the cross. Not water baptism.
Let's start at the starting line. The book for the priests, Leviticus.
6 the person who has touched any such thing shall be unclean until evening, and shall not eat the holy offerings unless he washes his body with water. 7 And when the sun goes down he shall be clean; and afterward he may eat the holy offerings, because it is his food. 8 Whatever dies naturally or is torn by beasts he shall not eat, to defile himself with it: I am the Lord.
It is a ceremonial cleansing of sin. This church in the wilderness is to be a nation of priests. In the future. In their kingdom.
6 And you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words which you shall speak to the children of Israel.”
Pay attention to the details from John. Who is doing what. John the Baptist was washing Israelites who didn't touch anything. He was cleansing all. This will be a conglomerate for you. John knows the kingdom is coming, he knows the scriptures. But he only knows what isn't hidden.
5 Then Jerusalem, all Judea, and all the region around the Jordan went out to him 6 and were baptized by him in the Jordan, confessing their sins.
19 Now this is the testimony of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, “Who are you?”
13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to John at the Jordan to be baptized by him. 14 And John tried to prevent Him, saying, “I need to be baptized by You, and are You coming to me?”
15 But Jesus answered and said to him, “Permit it to be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he allowed Him.
He kept the law in our place. And specifically to keep the law of Moses. Even though he was without sin. Knowing washing with water was for Israel who was looking forward, how do you wash sin with water after the cross? That isn't rhetorical. Because you still have sin?
10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.
Boast in the cross. Not water baptism.
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Always belittling the LORD Jesus Christ.lol RD. Thousands of eye witnesses saw the miracle at Fatima. And millions have seen the tilma.
Compare that to the 500 eye witnesses of Christ's Resurrection for scale.
14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.Miracles:
Our Lady of Fátima - Wikipedia
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Our Lady of Guadalupe - Wikipedia
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We know from scripture she called God her savior and will be resurrected in the last day. We also know Paul said a remnant is saved without saying who. Maybe she is with the remnant, I don't know. Saved as in baptized into the Body. I hold the position James and others are not the remnant. James held fast to the law of Moses. James as in the author of 2 letters and said in Acts 15 to gentiles don't let them eat unclean. All the dispensationalists know this, as they study the scripture.
It does not say nor imply the patriarchs of the church of the wilderness (Israel) is surrounding them in a cloud. Read the whole text. It is all about Israel and their kingdom. All that says is there many witnesses to what they do. People are looking so he says;
let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us,
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You seem to be a little confused as to what is the "remnant".
All of the believing Jews (Israelite's) during Jesus' time on earth were "the remnant". Jesus' mother would also be part of the remnant, as well as James et al.
The body of Christ is NOT "the remnant", as the remnant is believing Israel.
Isaiah and Jeremiah write a lot about the remnant:
Isa 10:20-24 (AKJV/PCE)
(10:20) ¶ And it shall come to pass in that day, [that] the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, in truth. (10:21) The remnant shall return, [even] the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God. (10:22) For though thy people Israel be as the sand of the sea, [yet] a remnant of them shall return: the consumption decreed shall overflow with righteousness. (10:23) For the Lord GOD of hosts shall make a consumption, even determined, in the midst of all the land. (10:24) ¶ Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD of hosts, O my people that dwellest in Zion, be not afraid of the Assyrian: he shall smite thee with a rod, and shall lift up his staff against thee, after the manner of Egypt.
Isa 11:10-11 (AKJV/PCE)
(11:10) ¶ And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious. (11:11) And it shall come to pass in that day, [that] the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.
Jer 6:9 (AKJV/PCE)
(6:9) ¶ Thus saith the LORD of hosts, They shall throughly glean the remnant of Israel as a vine: turn back thine hand as a grapegatherer into the baskets.
Jer 23:3 (AKJV/PCE)
(23:3) And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase.
Idolater
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Point is only you can consider your devotion to helping the poor satisfied when you give to the Catholic Church, not necessarily (though certainly often) when you give to Catholic charities. Point is you don't need to look beyond the collection basket at Catholic Mass to satisfy a devotion to help the poor and needy with your money. Point is your devotion to help the needy and hungry is satisfied when you put money into the collection basket at Catholic Mass.
You do pay your dues when you attend Mass, but it's just the Mass obligation. Giving to the needy is a devotion. And you can practice that devotion in giving money to the Catholic Church in the collection basket.
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Or you could give directly to the needy, like Jesus did.
You make it sound like the church is trying to be the middleman to all charitable acts.
But it's unnecessary.
Jesus won't ask on Judgement Day "did you go to mass and give to the church." He'll ask if you helped the poor and needy.
There's of course no guarantee of this.
Or, just give practice that devotion by giving directly to the needy.
No need for a third party to be involved.
Iow: be the church that gives.