C.Moore,
what do you think about the teaching on Salvation is by Unamended Grace?
What is false about this teaching , and what do you agree with in the teaching on Salvation is by Unamended Grace Kevin??
There's nothing false about the fact that we are saved by grace. Nothing.
I was surprised there was no feed back like last time, specially when the person said about putting "BUT" after grace or salvation.
First off, I didn't read the
entire article word for word, but I did read a decent amount of it. Secondly, I'm not adding a "BUT" at all. I've already explained how we are saved by grace through faith.
We are saved by grace through faith,
but if that faith doesn't produce obedience to His commandments, then we are NOT in Christ (1 John 2:3-5). Again, the faith that saves is the faith that obeys, which fulfills the verse that says we are saved by grace through faith. There is no "but" in there. Where you and I disagree is what kind of faith is being spoken of in Ephesians 2:8. I believe that it's the faith leads to obedience, you believe it's faith only, which I have shown is dead, and you didn't even attempt to address it.
But we are already in Christ when we recieve HIM and HE is in us when we let HIM in by repentance
Wrong. Show me one verse where the verb used to denote HOW on get into Christ is "repentance". I've shown you two verses that show that baptism is HOW we become in Christ:
Gal 3:27
27) For as many as were baptized into Christ, you put on Christ.
Rom 6:3
3) Do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into His death?
Notice that
baptism is the verb found in the Bible that shows how one gets "into Christ". The verses apply to whom?
"As many as were baptized".
Now, show me just ONE verse that says we "repent into Christ". Just one. I can back what I say with scripture, now where's yours?
THE BLOOD OF JESUS makes us instantly white as snow, and nothing else can take the place of the blood of Jesus Kevin, also baptism can`t take the place of the blood of Jesus , that forgive us
I've never said that baptism would take the place of Christ's blood! That's crazy. Here is what I said:
"Christ commanded baptism. Baptism in His name is for the forgiveness of sins (Acts 2:38). Doing something that is commanded by God for the remission of sins is certainly required for salvation. Sure, God sent His Son to die, and His blood covers all our sins. But when God commands us to do something FOR the remission of sins BY Christ's blood, you want to say that it's not required for salvation."
There's a difference between
FOR and
BY. When we are baptized into Christ
FOR the remission of sins, we are cleansed
BY His blood. The Bible says baptism is
FOR the remission of sins, not that the waters of baptism actually forgives our sins! So, we know that baptism is
FOR the remission of sins, but
BY what is our sins actually forgiven? His blood. We know that it is the blood of Christ that forgives us of our sins,
but that blood won't do anybody any good unless that person does what Christ commanded FOR the remission of sins - baptism in His name (Acts 2:38)!
If you pay a dollar
FOR a candy bar that will fill your hunger, did that dollar actually fill your hunger? NO! You paid a dollar
FOR the candy bar, and it is
BY the candy bar that you hunger is filled! But unless you pay the dollar
FOR that candy bar, your hunder will not be filled
BY the candy bar. Can't you see the difference between "FOR" and "BY here? Think about it.
And I noticed you didn't
touch my simple challenge. Why not? If you take it, you will see that your doctrine is not right. Take the challenge, C.Moore, because if you really are in search of the truth, you should be able answer this
simple challenge. Here it is again:
To be with Christ, one needs to be reborn (John 3:5). Take this challenge, C.Moore:
John: 3:3
3) Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
From this we can clearly see that one has to be born again to make it to heaven. Now, in order for one to be born "again", a death must occur. Why? Because:
- Logic demands it. Can one be born again into the Spirit while still living in his previous life of sin? Impossible. A death must occur so that a new life can begin.
- We must die with Christ in order to live with Christ (2 Tim. 2:11)
So this bring us to the question of how one dies with Christ. The Bible speaks clearly on this matter:
Romans 6:3-4
3) Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
4) Therefore we were buried with Him through BAPTISM into death that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
There is but ONE way to die with Christ, and I even took the liberty of underlining it: BAPTISM.
That's how we die with Christ.
I challenge you, or anyone else to show me another Biblical way that we die with Christ. Please back it with scripture, as I have.
And to reiterate 2 Tim. 2:11:
For faithful is the Word, for if we died with Him, we shall also live with Him.
This makes it quite clear that we must die with Him in order to live with Him. To live with Christ is to be saved. I've already shown,
from the Bible,
how we die with Christ - Baptism. Show me another
Biblical passage that speaks of any other method by which we die with Christ. Take the challenge.
