The grammar of Gal 2 and the folly of 2P2P

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Imputed righteousness is not the same as personal transformation. Imputed--reckoned--credited--transferred righteousness covers the DEBT of sin; it does not indicate how much personal transformation has taken place.

The church's teaching about the two aspects of salvation is so poor that there is mass confusion. People mix them all the time, even though there used to be well-known hymns that kept the two properly distinct. 'Save me from sins double curse / ...from its guilt and power.'

Credited righteousness is the great gift discussed in Rom 3, 4, 9, 10, Gal 3, 4, Phil 3. Enjoy.
 
SaulToPaul 2

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Imputed righteousness is not the same as personal transformation. Imputed--reckoned--credited--transferred righteousness covers the DEBT of sin; it does not indicate how much personal transformation has taken place.

The church's teaching about the two aspects of salvation is so poor that there is mass confusion. People mix them all the time, even though there used to be well-known hymns that kept the two properly distinct. 'Save me from sins double curse / ...from its guilt and power.'

Credited righteousness is the great gift discussed in Rom 3, 4, 9, 10, Gal 3, 4, Phil 3. Enjoy.
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When did you believe the gospel and trust the LORD to save you?
 
Clete

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Imputed righteousness is not the same as personal transformation. Imputed--reckoned--credited--transferred righteousness covers the DEBT of sin; it does not indicate how much personal transformation has taken place.

The church's teaching about the two aspects of salvation is so poor that there is mass confusion. People mix them all the time, even though there used to be well-known hymns that kept the two properly distinct. 'Save me from sins double curse / ...from its guilt and power.'

Credited righteousness is the great gift discussed in Rom 3, 4, 9, 10, Gal 3, 4, Phil 3. Enjoy.
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As far as this goes, I'd have to say that I agree completely.

I would add, however, that both are accomplished the same way. By faith alone.

Colossians 2:6 As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him,​

Resting in Him,
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Jerry Shugart

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this is the utter dishonesty of the 2P2P garbage. No where in the whole NT is there the sentiment that there is a 2nd or a close 2nd or one for one group, one for another, BUT THEY DON'T KNOW THIS because of their isolated and compartmentalized way of reading.
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The Greek word translated "gospel" means good news or glad tidings. Was it not good news to the Jews when it was preached to them that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God? Of course it was. And belief in that good news resulted in salvation (Jn.20:30-31; 1 Jn.5:1-5).

It was good news to the Gentiles that the Lord Jesus died for our sins and belief in that truth results in salvation (1 Cor.15:1-4).

So we see two different instances of good news or "gospel" where belief in either resulted in salvation.

Let me ask you a question. What was the "content" of the gospel which was being preached here?:

"And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick. And he said unto them, Take nothing for your journey, neither staves, nor scrip, neither bread, neither money; neither have two coats apiece. And whatsoever house ye enter into, there abide, and thence depart. And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them. And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where" (Lk.9:2-6).​

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Jerry Shugart said:
The Greek word translated "gospel" means good news or glad tidings. Was it not good news to the Jews when it was preached to them that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God? Of course it was. And belief in that good news resulted in salvation (Jn.20:30-31; 1 Jn.5:1-5).

It was good news to the Gentiles that the Lord Jesus died for our sins and belief in that truth results in salvation (1 Cor.15:1-4).

So we see two different instances of good news or "gospel" where belief in either resulted in salvation.

Let me ask you a question. What was the "content" of the gospel which was being preached here?:

"And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick. And he said unto them, Take nothing for your journey, neither staves, nor scrip, neither bread, neither money; neither have two coats apiece. And whatsoever house ye enter into, there abide, and thence depart. And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them. And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where" (Lk.9:2-6).​

Thanks!
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That the Messiah who would sacrifice for sins, take them away as a sacrificial lamb was HERE.
 
musterion

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Imputed righteousness is not the same as personal transformation. Imputed--reckoned--credited--transferred righteousness covers the DEBT of sin; it does not indicate how much personal transformation has taken place.

The church's teaching about the two aspects of salvation is so poor that there is mass confusion. People mix them all the time, even though there used to be well-known hymns that kept the two properly distinct. 'Save me from sins double curse / ...from its guilt and power.'

Credited righteousness is the great gift discussed in Rom 3, 4, 9, 10, Gal 3, 4, Phil 3. Enjoy.
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Do you stand before God at this moment with the perfect righteousness of Christ?

We either do or we don't. Which is it?
 
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musterion said:
How did you get it?
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Even if you can't read Greek, with a few tools you can still diagram it. You need to know a few things Greek does that English does not: word endings change spelling when they are in the different diagram slots of Noun, Object of Preposition, Direct Object and Indirect Object. Those are called 'cases.' And of course for number.

Diagramming is much more important than lists of meanings like Vines. A diagram in English will not be very different from a Greek one, but the case will be 99% exact.

This Gal 2 2-headed gospel myth is entirely due to that kind of mistake and to violating or raping the verb 'gospel-ing' which is about one message; the Direct Object is built-in.
 
musterion

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Even if you can't read Greek, with a few tools you can still diagram it. You need to know a few things Greek does that English does not: word endings change spelling when they are in the different diagram slots of Noun, Object of Preposition, Direct Object and Indirect Object. Those are called 'cases.' And of course for number.

Diagramming is much more important than lists of meanings like Vines. A diagram in English will not be very different from a Greek one, but the case will be 99% exact.

This Gal 2 2-headed gospel myth is entirely due to that kind of mistake and to violating or raping the verb 'gospel-ing' which is about one message; the Direct Object is built-in.
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How did you get the righteousness of Christ?
 
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Even if you can't read Greek, with a few tools you can still diagram it. You need to know a few things Greek does that English does not: word endings change spelling when they are in the different diagram slots of Noun, Object of Preposition, Direct Object and Indirect Object. Those are called 'cases.' And of course for number.

Diagramming is much more important than lists of meanings like Vines. A diagram in English will not be very different from a Greek one, but the case will be 99% exact.

This Gal 2 2-headed gospel myth is entirely due to that kind of mistake and to violating or raping the verb 'gospel-ing' which is about one message; the Direct Object is built-in.
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I concur that Paul was referring to "gospeling" - but that still does not mean the content of his and Peter's gospeling had been the same.

Both had preached, or gospelled "the gospel of Christ."

Peter's as Prophesied; Paul's as kept a Mystery.

Your diagramming fails you - because comparing verse with verse supercedes it - it is what brings out the Content of the Direct Object.
 
SaulToPaul 2

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Even if you can't read Greek, with a few tools you can still diagram it. You need to know a few things Greek does that English does not: word endings change spelling when they are in the different diagram slots of Noun, Object of Preposition, Direct Object and Indirect Object. Those are called 'cases.' And of course for number.

Diagramming is much more important than lists of meanings like Vines. A diagram in English will not be very different from a Greek one, but the case will be 99% exact.

This Gal 2 2-headed gospel myth is entirely due to that kind of mistake and to violating or raping the verb 'gospel-ing' which is about one message; the Direct Object is built-in.
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Do you know "the Greek" better than the team of King James Bible translators?
 
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