The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

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Acts 10:11 KJV - And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:

Hey, PJ, can we avoid taking verses out of context?

The next day, as they went on their journey and drew near the city, Peter went up on the housetop to pray, about the sixth hour. Then he became very hungry and wanted to eat; but while they made ready, he fell into a trance and saw heaven opened and an object like a great sheet bound at the four corners, descending to him and let down to the earth. In it were all kinds of four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air. And a voice came to him, [JESUS]“Rise, Peter; kill and eat.”[/JESUS] But Peter said, “Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean.” And a voice spoke to him again the second time, [JESUS]“What God has cleansed you must not call common.”[/JESUS] This was done three times. And the object was taken up into heaven again. - Acts 10:9-16 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts10:9-16&version=NKJV
 

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Doesn't work that way. The BEST way to prove this to you and Dave, would be to talk you both into getting your aviation licenses. Likely not going to happen so the only way for such discussion to go is into the archives. I know, per fact, the earth is a globe. You don't. No place to go from here, right?

Even pilots see what passengers see. A rising horizon to eye level regardless of how high and absolutely no movement of the earth beneath the plane.

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Amount of curvature in the globe earth model is the best evidence for a flat earth.

1 mile 8 inches

2 miles 32 inches (not 16)

3 miles 72 inches (6 feet)

Even a 1 to 2 inch drop of earth, a body of water (lake or river) in a quarter mile, would never just stay in place, water moves until level. That's when the gravity holds water in place idea becomes falsified. We are supposed to believe that over greater distance what happens at short distances does not occur. Yet at every short distance (every quarter mile) in between water moves if the land drops an inch. But in a mile and with an 8 inch drop the rivers and lakes do not move because of gravity???

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Amount of curvature in the globe earth model is the best evidence for a flat earth.

1 mile 8 inches

2 miles 32 inches (not 16)

3 miles 72 inches (6 feet)

Even a 1 to 2 inch drop of earth, a body of water (lake or river) in a quarter mile, would never just stay in place, water moves until level. That's when the gravity holds water in place idea becomes falsified. We are supposed to believe that over greater distance what happens at short distances does not occur. Yet at every short distance (every quarter mile) in between water moves if the land drops an inch. But in a mile and with an 8 inch drop the rivers and lakes do not move because of gravity???

--Dave
Dave, even assuming that gravity doesn't exist, and it's only density/buoyancy that causes things to rise or fall, on a spherical mass, things would rise and fall in relation towards the center of the earth, not north being up and south being down.

If "down" is towards the center of the planet, then water would find it's own level around that center point. And yes, the water's surface would be convex, not flat.
 

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Hey, PJ, can we avoid taking verses out of context?

The next day, as they went on their journey and drew near the city, Peter went up on the housetop to pray, about the sixth hour. Then he became very hungry and wanted to eat; but while they made ready, he fell into a trance and saw heaven opened and an object like a great sheet bound at the four corners, descending to him and let down to the earth. In it were all kinds of four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air. And a voice came to him, [JESUS]“Rise, Peter; kill and eat.”[/JESUS] But Peter said, “Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean.” And a voice spoke to him again the second time, [JESUS]“What God has cleansed you must not call common.”[/JESUS] This was done three times. And the object was taken up into heaven again. - Acts 10:9-16 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts10:9-16&version=NKJV
Sure JR, I'll just post whole chapters or books from now on. :thumb:


Isaiah 34:4 KJV -

Revelation 6:14 KJV -

Genesis 1 KJV - [FONT=&quot]In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.[/FONT]
 

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Well, yes, but not meanly. I'd thought, as you know, that you were doing this tongue and cheek but it was no mean or ill intention.

I did? I think scrutiny is a good word. I'm sorry if you felt ridiculed. It may have come more in our private conversation thought, when I hadn't realized you were serious. That also, likely causes a bit of an awkward moment, but nothing too strenuous. I really don't think this is a big deal because it isn't going to do much for disagreement in the real world.


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I agree. Thank you for accepting my apology, I should not have called you a liar.
 
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How do compasses prove a flat earth? :idunno:
I can't remember right this second but I just watched a video today. I'll think of it. As far as how many miles and how long from one point to another on a flight, I could only go by what THEY SAY the distances are. Do planes have odometers?

There are better compass examples that I can find but this is a short 2 minute video


[h=1]PROOF a Compass IS NOT What You Were Told!! | FLAT EARTH 14 pt2[/h]

https://youtu.be/ccuLjrfx9OE - Click on link for full screen view


 

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How would it be any different flying from east to west? In your model, can I take off from a city in a plane and fly in a straight direction and end up at the same city I began? How can I fly east to Tokyo or west to Tokyo on a flat earth?
North to south or south to north is the problem, not east to west. As I've shown, east/west actually travels a circle around the center (north pole).

[h=1]Max Igan's "southern hemisphere" flight - plus a challenge for someone to repeat it[/h]

https://youtu.be/DHLvEqIATIg - Click on link for full screen view - 10 minutes


 

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Dave, even assuming that gravity doesn't exist, and it's only density/buoyancy that causes things to rise or fall, on a spherical mass, things would rise and fall in relation towards the center of the earth, not north being up and south being down.

If "down" is towards the center of the planet, then water would find it's own level around that center point. And yes, the water's surface would be convex, not flat.

But these lakes and rivers are not convex over the visible and testable distance in which a 1 to 8 inch drop is supposed to exist in one mile. Gravity is imagined "holding" oceans and lakes and rivers in place so that they cannot move to level / flat in a long not visible distance yet we find in every case in the short visible distance that they do move to level with no visible curve. Because we see water moving to level in a mile distance, and every mile over every mile of every longer distance, we must conclude there is no curve or drop other any long distance.

That's no different than saying we don't see evolution in the short span of time but it is occurring in the long term that we cannot see. Both the evolutionist and the globists argue from what is invisible, the one from the invisible distance of time the other from the invisible distance of miles. Both contradict what we see in the short term both in time and miles.

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But these lakes and rivers are not convex over the visible and testable distance in which a 1 to 8 inch drop is supposed to exist in one mile.

Dave, an 8in drop over a distance of 63,360in (1mi) is not going to be very noticable. In fact, unless you can perceive a drop of 1/7920th of a mile at a distance of a mile away, you're not going to be able to see the curve from ground level.

Gravity is imagined "holding" oceans and lakes and rivers in place so that they cannot move to level / flat in a long not visible distance yet we find in every case in the short visible distance that they do move to level with no visible curve. Because we see water moving to level in a mile distance, and every mile over every mile of every longer distance, we must conclude there is no curve or drop other any long distance.

Again, Dave, unless you can see a 1/7920th of a mile drop at a distance of one mile away, you're not going to be able to see the curve of the earth at ground level.

Dave, there are 63,360 inches in 1 mile. 8 inches is not that much of a drop after one mile, neither is

This is the decimal result when you divide 8/63360 (or reduced to 1/79720):

0.000126262626262626262626262626262626262626...(number continues infinitely)

That is 0.012626262626262626262626...% of a mile. You simply can't see that kind of a difference 1 mile away. That's why people like you make the claim that the earth is flat, because you can't comprehend the scale of the earth.

Dave, I already said that even if gravity didn't exist, and only buoyancy/density determined whether something goes up or down, then objects would STILL only go up to the sky or down towards the CENTER of the globe earth.

Dave, get out a pencil and paper (or if you can, build what I'm about to describe), and draw a large circle for me, and put a dot in the middle. Yes, please do this, I want to see if you're capable of comprehending how gravity works (even if we don't know what it is or what causes it).

Now draw 20 lines out from the center (preferably not straight across the center) of the circle, and make sure they're drawn neatly and equidistant from each other Then draw a short perpendicular line (a tangent) on the edge of the circle where the lines meet the circle, then draw an arrow on the outside of the tangent lines pointing towards the center of the circle.

You may want a compass (no, not the directional compass, what you use for drawing circles) and a ruler and maybe even a protractor.

Ok, now that that's done, we're gonna test your imagination for a bit. Imagine that each of the tangent lines are magnetic bars on sliders that can move in and out from the center of the circle, but have a tendency to slide away from the center of the circle because they are arranged positive to positive and negative to negative ([-+][+-][-+][+-][-+][+-][-+]) all the way around, and that each of the lines inside the circle are rubber bands that pull in the direction the arrows are pointing.

The rubber bands represent gravity, and the magnetic bars represent water molecules.

What do you think happens when the bars are allowed to slide freely on their rails? they find their own distance from the other magnets, right?

In that same way, (though not through magnetism,) water finds its own level on a spherical planet.

That's no different than saying we don't see evolution in the short span of time but it is occurring in the long term that we cannot see.

Dave, using your reasoning, you're the one making the claim, "because we can't see a curve (like evolution (which again, I DO NOT believe happens)) therefore it must not be curved (therefore no evolution happens)."

That's called an argument from silence, or an argument from ignorance, both of which are logical fallacies.

Both the evolutionist and the globists argue from what is invisible, the one from the invisible distance of time the other from the invisible distance of miles. Both contradict what we see in the short term both in time and miles.

Dave, I'm pretty sure that I've asked you this before, but could you please stop lumping round earth creationists in with evolutionists?

As for what you said, No, Dave, round earth creationists DO NOT argue from what is invisible. We take measurements, make calculations, and prove our work. You on the other hand have provided nothing but hand-waving and just so arguments, along with plenty of videos which most people will never watch, because the premise is illogical.
 

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[h=1]FLAT EARTH: The Second Heaven Explained...[/h]
Is the conventional portrayal of the "3 tiered heavens" as is taught within the confines of Copernican cosmology something that really fits the Biblical description? Does it even make sense? And how does it match up in context of the various NWO agendas going on right now, in comparison to the original Biblical Cosmology....???

https://youtu.be/BdGBDjNNUiw - Click on link for full screen view


 
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