The earth is flat and we never went to the moon
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I agree. The reason is that the effects of gravity are proportional to mass and distance. Not so for density, which is the same for both.
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Because gravity is not the only force in the universe Dave. Have you never heard of kinetic energy?
Also, according to your logic ... Since a cup is filled with water.... water and gravity are the same thing.
No, Dave space is not FILLED with gravity. Gravity is a force that works THROUGH space. Also note that space may not be as empty as once thought.
You're missing the point. If gravity is everywhere in space pulling all things toward each other thing then what is keeping everything from becoming one big thing? What makes things come apart, and move away from each other?
When the Copernican heliocentric universe is accepted it follows that an explanation must be offered as to why the earth is spinning and orbiting the sun and everything on earth does not fly off into space.
The problem is we just don't see or experience everything being pulled toward each other. The law of thermodynamics and entropy states that over time things come apart. A heliocentric universe is incoherent and a self contradiction. Newton did not discover anything, he imagined a force that keeps an imagined heliocentric universe of spinning and moving planets from the chaos that would logically result. A flat and stationary earth produces a different set of factors and a different understanding as to what everything else is above us and how it all works.
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Why we must have this debate
Every day, in every way, we all experience an earth we all live on that is flat (flat does not mean without land masses that are above sea level, or without mountains and valleys) and stationary with things that move on it and above it. We all see birds, planes, clouds, a sun, a moon, and stars that move across the sky above us. In contradiction to our God created senses we are taught that what we see and experience is not the truth. Or, is what we are being taught about a spinning planet orbiting the sun not the truth?
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Every day, in every way, we all experience an earth we all live on that is flat (flat does not mean without land masses that are above sea level, or without mountains and valleys) and stationary with things that move on it and above it. We all see birds, planes, clouds, a sun, a moon, and stars that move across the sky above us. In contradiction to our God created senses we are taught that what we see and experience is not the truth. Or, is what we are being taught about a spinning planet orbiting the sun not the truth?
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Velocity for one.
| Gravity may pull things towards each other, but the result of this pull depends on the initial positions and velocities of those objects. If velocity of an object is high enough, it may escape the gravitational pull of another body and escape. Even if two objects collide, it does not mean that they merge with each other, they may just scatter from each other and stay separate. Gravity may pull things towards each other, but the result of this pull depends on the initial positions and velocities of those objects. If velocity of an object is high enough, it may escape the gravitational pull of another body and escape. Even if two objects collide, it does not mean that they merge with each other, they may just scatter from each other and stay separate. link |
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Dave, the LORD created objects and set them in motion. Where is the actual problem here?
And ... once again... regardless of whether the earth is spinning globe or a flat plate... we still see things fall to the ground. So the fact of gravity is NOT related to these two models for the earth. BOTH of these models require an explanation for why things fall down.
You are imagining things. in BOTH models, there needs to be an explanation of why thing FALL DOWN. Your very of the flat earth model is missing this explanation.
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Your "version".... why doesn't this thread allow editing a post?
Velocity is movement and gravity is about the direction of all movement of all particles and all planets and everything on a spinning planet. That direction is toward other particles and other planets, etc. and not away from everything else. We cannot have a universal law of physics that contradicts itself and be true.
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How can you be so ignorant of the various forces in the universe Dave?
Gravity is a force that attracts matter together, but it is NOT the only force in the universe.
The issue here is how do we know if the earth is flat and stationary as opposed to an earth that is a spinning globe. Gravity was an idea formed to explain the spinning globe. If someone had to explain why some things things on a flat stationary earth fall while other things float up into the sky they would not come up with gravity as Newton explained it.
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Why do you keep repeating this lie, Dave?
Gravity was an explanation of why things fall down. It has nothing to do with a spinning globe.
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What contradicts? Gravity is a force, velocity is just a way to measure movement, it is not a force itself. If you throw an object into the air, explain why it comes back down rather than infinitely follow it's upward trajectory.
I gave you a few quotes on what gravity is. I didn't make them up. Look it up and see for yourself. Every quote I made was linked to its source.
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Things that are heavier than air come down, things that are lighter than air go up. There are things that float and things that sink in water.
Velocity is movement, and the speed of what is moving. Gravity is about the direction of things that move, regardless of how fast. Gravity is always moving everything toward something else and causes everything to come together. Yet, the law of thermodynamics and entropy state that things are moving or falling apart, moving away from each other.
Because we see that this understanding of gravity does not hold up in reality we have all these theories that are exceptions to the general rule. Simply put, that things fall to earth is not proof that the earth is a globe.
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