Did you ever buy into the damnable treasonous Trump/Russian collusion conspiracy theory invented by Hillary Clinton? I think maybe every stupid democrat in Congress got duped by that lie.
The coronavirus scam
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Surely you don't think you can prove Fauci did not fund the bat virus research in the Wuhan lab, even after Obama shut down such funding. You cannot prove that, the evidence is too great to be denied.
Fauci says White House told NIH to cancel funding for bat virus study
“Why was it canceled? It was canceled because the NIH was told to cancel it," Fauci said.
“Why was it canceled? It was canceled because the NIH was told to cancel it," said Anthony Fauci, director of the NIH's National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, in response to a question during a House Energy & Commerce Hearing. "I don’t know the reason, but we were told to cancel it.”
expos4ever
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How are we "missing" them?
They have been named, their qualifications listed, and their specific issues with the video have been provided.
What, exactly, is "missing"?
Yada - Yada - Yada. Masks work and you cannot tell a leftist moron they don't because his experts have assured him masks do work and are, in fact, essential in the government effort to keep people from murdering fellow citizens by covid.
What is missing are repeatable field trials over long periods of time, yielding conclusions which cannot be denied by any other research group in the country.
Lack of proof is the problem. There is a lack of proof that masks don't work and a lack of proof that masks do work. I'm going with the science that makes the most sense and which does the most good for everyone, whether sick or not.
expos4ever
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You "feel" no burden? Obviously you don't. But that does not change the fact that one makes claims that one refuses to substantiate, a reasonable person will conclude the obvious.
Arthur Brain
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You are no position to call anyone a moron with your whacko conspiracy bunk.
Arthur Brain
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That's your evidence that Fauci helped invent Covid is it?Surely you don't think you can prove Fauci did not fund the bat virus research in the Wuhan lab, even after Obama shut down such funding. You cannot prove that, the evidence is too great to be denied.
The White House directed the National Institutes of Health to cancel funding for a project studying how coronaviruses spread from bats to people, the government's top infectious disease expert said Tuesday.Fauci says White House told NIH to cancel funding for bat virus study
“Why was it canceled? It was canceled because the NIH was told to cancel it," Fauci said.www.politico.com
“Why was it canceled? It was canceled because the NIH was told to cancel it," said Anthony Fauci, director of the NIH's National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, in response to a question during a House Energy & Commerce Hearing. "I don’t know the reason, but we were told to cancel it.”
Bat crazy is rather apt.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
Or you could just go away
Yet you won't debunk it yourself. Why?
Answer my questions, please.
In what way is the demonstration misleading?
In what way is the demonstration insufficient in showing that masks do not work against aerosols?
Yet you won't provide ANY detail!
You won't even answer my questions about why you think it doesn't!
Let alone actually providing a source for this supposedly "readily available to read" "debunking" of the good doctor's video, you would rather just insult and belittle everyone on here who doesn't believe the same as you and shame them for not believing that masks work against aerosols.
Do you not have any sort of reasoning capacity? Or is everything that comes out of your mouth just negative rhetoric against others?
Try engaging for once. Conversations progress further when you aren't insulting people left and right for no reason other than to just belittle them.
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You might claim masks are effective at stopping the flow of covid particles. I do not believe that so if that is your claim then it is your burden to prove it.
You mock the truth. Because I think you really do believe the leftist lies I can easily attribute your error to ignorance, not willful lying.
I have more evidence Fauci helped fund the deadly virus research at Wuhan. You have provided nothing to support the contention that he didn't.
That reminds me of the disastrous Obamacare health tax bill. Less than 2% of the country voluntarily signed up for the coverage in the first 2 years, which is why democrats in Congress (who exempted themselves from the mandate) made it a crime not to sign up for the socialist healthcare/tax boondoggle.
Arthur Brain
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From factcheck. I'll link to the article which you can read at your leisure. In the meantime I'll highlight certain passages in bold and comment on them.Yet you won't debunk it yourself. Why?
Answer my questions, please.
In what way is the demonstration misleading?
In what way is the demonstration insufficient in showing that masks do not work against aerosols?
Yet you won't provide ANY detail!
You won't even answer my questions about why you think it doesn't!
Let alone actually providing a source for this supposedly "readily available to read" "debunking" of the good doctor's video, you would rather just insult and belittle everyone on here who doesn't believe the same as you and shame them for not believing that masks work against aerosols.
Do you not have any sort of reasoning capacity? Or is everything that comes out of your mouth just negative rhetoric against others?
Try engaging for once. Conversations progress further when you aren't insulting people left and right for no reason other than to just belittle them.
Doctor with expired license falsely claims masks don’t work
A YouTube video and social media posts claim a man blowing vape smoke through various face masks shows that they do not help prevent the spread of coronavirus. This is false; experts agree that while the virus itself is small enough to fit through mask fibers -- as is vape smoke -- masks do help...
Dr John O’Horo, associate professor of medicine and an infectious disease specialist at Mayo Clinic, said the conclusions the man in the video draws are “very, very questionable,” and “what’s being shown there isn’t really representative of the way that masks offer protection for the wearer or for those around the wearer.”
In a phone interview, O’Horo explained: “The idea that just seeing some particulates going through a mask negates their effectiveness is just a misunderstanding of how masks work. The masks do allow air and small particles to pass through. That’s how we can still breathe with them on, but what they do is they take a lot of the energy out so it doesn’t travel as far.”
Now that makes sense doesn't it? Nobody's claiming that masks stop air and smaller particles altogether, they don't. After the first lockdown was eased over here in the UK then most places were allowed to reopen but with safeguards. One of those was no raucous get togethers, no karaokes or singing in pubs. The reason? The amount of particles released when singing/shouting is far more than when people talk normally. Again, makes sense doesn't it? Sneezing also although obviously there's nothing anyone can do to stop that.
Christopher Sulmonte, project administrator at the Johns Hopkins Biocontainment Unit, made a similar point.
“You’ll notice that those vapors… are being hindered -- when he breathes out, they’re not going out as far, but also they’re going backwards, which is exactly conceptually what we’re trying to do with the masks,” he said by telephone.
Sulmonte criticized the video for its attempt “to create an equivalency between how SARS-CoV-2 is spread through respiratory droplets to the movement of gaseous particles.”
Respiratory droplets are much larger, and that is the main way Covid-19 is spread, he said, adding that while “there is still some concern with aerosol spread of the virus,” masks still help, as demonstrated by the smoke moving sideways and backwards in the video, rather than forward.
Now, don't really have much to add to this. Sure, where it comes to smaller particles masks aren't going to stop them but the reduction of distance in which they spread seems again, fairly obvious. Also, they are effective in curbing larger droplets as described. Using gaseous particles doesn't encapsulate anything akin to the whole picture.
Dr Shelley Payne, a molecular biosciences professor and head of the University of Texas at Austin’s center for infectious disease, agreed via email that masks also help prevent aerosol transmission. “Much of the leakage of aerosols shown in the video is at the edges of the mask. There is less from the front of the mask, reducing exposure to a person you are facing and talking to.”
So again, what doesn't make sense about this? Seems perfectly reasonable doesn't it?
Dr Sam Hogue, the interim head of the Texas A&M UniversityDepartment of Primary Care and Population Health, said in an email: “Viruses are tiny and could easily pass through masks. However, the mucous environment in which they are embedded, not so much.
“I am disappointed that a licensed physician would use smoke as an equivalent comparison,” said Hogue, although as noted above, Noel’s license has expired.
So, what's to differ with here? Again, nobody is saying that masks stop smaller particles altogether, they don't, but once again, the use of smoke in that test was an invalid comparison to respiratory droplets anyway.
There's more but that should be enough to be going on with for now. There's also this:
PolitiFact - No, a vaping demo doesn’t prove that masks don’t work against COVID-19
In a video clip being shared on Facebook, a retired anesthesiologist who rails against mask wearing to protect against C
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So, I'm going with the experts on this because they make absolute sense and have dismantled Noel's experiment all ends up as far as I'm concerned.
Now, not sure how I've been insulting people left, right and center on here, it's not like I go around calling people 'tards' and whatnot with free abandon so that's rather an exaggeration on your part I would say.
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Arthur Brain
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Then supply it, otherwise this is just another assertion of yours with absolutely nothing to support it. The onus isn't on me, the burden of proof is on you. Else, disprove that a unicorn is on my kitchen roof.