SaulToPaul 2
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Tell us how Rome being the New Jerusalem which came down from God out of heaven makes sense. Thanks
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Tell us how Rome being the New Jerusalem which came down from God out of heaven makes sense. Thanks
HisServant
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It makes absolutely perfect sense.... if you believe in the sovereignty of God.
Whereas if you believe you are a free agent (which is in itself a religion to some people) it doesn't make sense.
the church teaches
-Jesus suffered and died for everyone
-so you might be saved
-you determine whether or not you are saved
-ask for forgiveness
-ask for help
-ask for mercy
-Jesus suffered and died for everyone
-so you might be saved
-you determine whether or not you are saved
-ask for forgiveness
-ask for help
-ask for mercy
HisServant
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The church teaches lies then... to benefit and enrich itself with money and power.
Like trump, he is going to sell one of his buildings for a billion dollars and then use it to sucker more votes
Right Divider
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If God's Word says that we are already forgiven and have already received mercy, would it not be an insult to God to ask for them again?
Titus 3:4-7 (AKJV/PCE)
(3:4) But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, (3:5) Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; (3:6) Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; (3:7) That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
(3:4) But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, (3:5) Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; (3:6) Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; (3:7) That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
SaulToPaul 2
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You're misinterpreting, let the Magisterium do the work for you.
They'd never lie to you.
SaulToPaul 2
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Why would I do that when God was already merciful towards me?
Right Divider
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Because you don't believe Him?
heir
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It's the testimony of an unbeliever/ a believe notter 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 KJV
we are not already forgiven even though I'm sure you can find some passage that you think shows that we are
heir
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Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
SaulToPaul 2
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What it says plainly can't be what it means.
The Magisterium will tell us what it means.
heir
TOL Subscriber
Ephesians 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
Ephesians 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
Ephesians 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
Ephesians 2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
heir
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They tell them it means the opposite of what it says. I thought chrys believed words have meaning?
SaulToPaul 2
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Yes, there are. The reason that I can find them is that they are there. Why don't you believe them?
Don't you want to be forgiven?
Eph 4:32 (AKJV/PCE)
(4:32) And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
Catholics only believe what their Priests and Pope tell them what to believe.
how do you explain this one?- Ephesians 1:7King James Version (KJV)
7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Priests, only when they teach what the papacy teaches, in matters of faith, doctrine and morals.
And Catholics aren't the only ones who believe what the Pope tells you. You believe in the Trinity, right? That's Catholic.