THE CHURCH DID NOT BEGIN AT PENTECOST

[DougE]

I am referring to the ministry to the Gentiles which the nation of Israel found disgusting. They looked upon Gentiles as inferior.

The believers at Jerusalem were taken aback by Peter's visit to Cornelius.

Acts 11

And the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God.

² And when Peter was come up to Jerusalem, they that were of the circumcision contended with him,

³ Saying, Thou wentest in to men uncircumcised, and didst eat with them.

⁴ But Peter rehearsed the matter from the beginning, and expounded it by order unto them, saying,


However, they realized by the fact that they spoke in tongues that

¹⁵ And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.

¹⁶ Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

¹⁷ Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

¹⁸ When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.


What Peter and maybe others started, the apostle Paul and others ran with.

Galatians 2

⁷ But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

⁸ (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles

⁹ And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.


The kingdom of God was taught by Paul

Acts 28

²³ And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.

Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.

Romans 14:17
For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

1 Corinthians 4:20
For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 15:50
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Galatians 5:21
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.


Colossians 4:11
And Jesus, which is called Justus, who are of the circumcision. These only are my fellowworkers unto the kingdom of God, which have been a comfort unto me.


2 Thessalonians 1:5
Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:

What Peter and maybe others started, the apostle Paul and others ran with.

Galatians 2

⁷ But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

⁸ (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles

⁹ And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

Paul did not take what Peter was preaching and "run with it"....look at verse Galatians 2:6 But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man's person: ) for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me:
Paul received nothing from Peter and the twelve...he did not take what they were preaching and preach it.

 

[DougE]

I am referring to the ministry to the Gentiles which the nation of Israel found disgusting. They looked upon Gentiles as inferior.

The believers at Jerusalem were taken aback by Peter's visit to Cornelius.

Acts 11

And the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God.

² And when Peter was come up to Jerusalem, they that were of the circumcision contended with him,

³ Saying, Thou wentest in to men uncircumcised, and didst eat with them.

⁴ But Peter rehearsed the matter from the beginning, and expounded it by order unto them, saying,


However, they realized by the fact that they spoke in tongues that

¹⁵ And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.

¹⁶ Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

¹⁷ Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

¹⁸ When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.


What Peter and maybe others started, the apostle Paul and others ran with.

Galatians 2

⁷ But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

⁸ (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles

⁹ And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.


The kingdom of God was taught by Paul

Acts 28

²³ And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.

Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.

Romans 14:17
For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

1 Corinthians 4:20
For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 15:50
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Galatians 5:21
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.


Colossians 4:11
And Jesus, which is called Justus, who are of the circumcision. These only are my fellowworkers unto the kingdom of God, which have been a comfort unto me.


2 Thessalonians 1:5
Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:

The kingdom of God was taught by Paul

Acts 28

²³ And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.

Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.

Romans 14:17
For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

1 Corinthians 4:20
For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power.


Paul taught the kingdom of God, he taught the heavenly aspect of the kingdom, not the earthly kingdom Peter and the disciples preached.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit thekingdom of God.

Paul must also be rightly divided, while not preaching entrance into the earthly kingdom, he did speak of it.

1 Corinthians 15:50
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

The kingdom of God here is the heavenly one as seen by verses 48 and 49.

Galatians 5:21
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Again, Paul is speaking about the earthly kingdom, but his gospel does not.

Colossians 4:11
And Jesus, which is called Justus, who are of the circumcision. These only are my fellowworkers unto the kingdom of God, which have been a comfort unto me.

Justus was a Jew, who I see, as being part of the Jews who believed the gospel of the kingdom and were going to inherit the earthly kingdom, who worked and ministered along with Paul.......they were both working for the earthly (Justus)) and heavenly (Paul) kingdom of God. These kingdom and the believers were not antagonists, all things in the end would be gathered together in Christ (Ephesians 1:10).


2 Thessalonians 1:5
Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:

This verse I will say, could be to both groups, the church of God consisted of both kingdom saints, and grace saints, both could suffer to enter their respective kingdoms

 

[oatmeal]

What Peter and maybe others started, the apostle Paul and others ran with.

Galatians 2

⁷ But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

⁸ (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles

⁹ And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

Paul did not take what Peter was preaching and "run with it"....look at verse Galatians 2:6 But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man's person: ) for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me:
Paul received nothing from Peter and the twelve...he did not take what they were preaching and preach it.

Did your passage say that Paul had a different gospel?

No, not at all.

Did Paul teach a different Jesus?

Did Paul talk about a different God?

Did Paul teach that salvation came from another name rather than Jesus Christ?

Paul taught the same God, the same Jesus Christ, the same word that Peter and others taught to the Judeans.

Of course, they might have emphasized different truths over others because of the audience but not because they had different gospels

If you were teaching a married couple seminar on how God instructs husbands and wives to act toward each other, would you teach them how widows are supposed to live? I would expect not, for that would be false advertising on someone's part. Would you teach them how Aaron served God as the high priest? I doubt it.

I think you would have the common courtesy to stay on topic for that particular group for there is plenty to teach from scripture that directly addresses the topic at hand

 

[DougE]

Did your passage say that Paul had a different gospel?

No, not at all.

Did Paul teach a different Jesus?

Did Paul talk about a different God?

Did Paul teach that salvation came from another name rather than Jesus Christ?

Paul taught the same God, the same Jesus Christ, the same word that Peter and others taught to the Judeans.

Of course, they might have emphasized different truths over others because of the audience but not because they had different gospels

If you were teaching a married couple seminar on how God instructs husbands and wives to act toward each other, would you teach them how widows are supposed to live? I would expect not, for that would be false advertising on someone's part. Would you teach them how Aaron served God as the high priest? I doubt it.

I think you would have the common courtesy to stay on topic for that particular group for there is plenty to teach from scripture that directly addresses the topic at hand

Paul preached the death and resurrection of Jesus for justification unto eternal life.

Jesus and the twelve preached to believe on his name.

 

[oatmeal]

What Peter and maybe others started, the apostle Paul and others ran with.

Galatians 2

⁷ But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

⁸ (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles

⁹ And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

Paul did not take what Peter was preaching and "run with it"....look at verse Galatians 2:6 But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man's person: ) for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me:
Paul received nothing from Peter and the twelve...he did not take what they were preaching and preach it.

Did Paul teach another Jesus than Peter did?

Did Paul teach a different God than Peter did?

Did Paul teach from a different OT than Peter did?

There is no conflict here.

They taught the same thing.

Paul was definitely quicker to realize that we are no longer under the law, some of the the believers in Judea continued to demand circumcision and other provisions of the law which were done away with in Christ

 

[Nick M]

Paul preached the death and resurrection of Jesus for justification unto eternal life.

Jesus and the twelve preached to believe on his name.

Their sin is forgiven when he returns, in his presence, and they will enter into their new covenant. He will take away their sin and rule from Jerusalem. Referring to the nation of Israel.

 

[Idolater]

Paul preached the death and resurrection of Jesus for justification unto eternal life.

Jesus and the twelve preached to believe on his name.

$$ Lu 24:44
And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me.
$$ Lu 24:45
Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
$$ Lu 24:46
And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
$$ Lu 24:47
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

 

[Nick M]

And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

That isn't Paul's gospel. Bring all the Jews from all the nations home. When they repent (change their ways), get water baptized as acknowledgment for their sin, a ceremonial cleansing, and he returns, then their sin is forgiven. Until then, the most recent transgressions of the law is in remission.

19 Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that He may send Jesus Christ, who was preached to you before, 21 whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began.

Paul repeats this future to Israel event. We have shown you this over and over. And you reject it.

25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:

“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”

28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

Paul is referencing Isaiah.

“The Redeemer will come to Zion, And to those who turn from transgression in Jacob,” Says the Lord.

21 “As for Me,” says the Lord, “this is My covenant with them: My Spirit who is upon you, and My words which I have put in your mouth, shall not depart from your mouth, nor from the mouth of your descendants, nor from the mouth of your descendants’ descendants,” says the Lord, “from this time and forevermore.”

The author of Hebrews repeats they are not in the covenant, but it is coming. And he quotes Ezekiel.

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”

 

[Nick M]

Israel's Seven Feast Days

1. Passover (fulfilled)
2. Unleavened Bread (fulfilled)
3. First Fruits (fulfilled)
4. Pentecost (fulfilled)

5. Trumpets (future)
6. Day of Atonement (future)
7. Tabernacles (future)

The New Covenant is not in place until the Day of Atonement, the return of Jesus Christ, when Israel's sins are taken away, and they are gathered unto him.

Romans 11
25: For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.
26: And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

This is what Peter preached.

Acts 3
19: Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
20: And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
21: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

This is what Daniel prophesied.

Daniel 9
24: Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

 

[Idolater]

And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

That isn't Paul's gospel.

Is this?:

And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: