The Burning Bush
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Ben Masada
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If what you mean by "some effort into my replies" is to give some Christian replies to your questions, rest your case because, only through the Truth we can be set free. (John 17:17)
Apple7
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And...only Jesus is The Truth...
Jesus said to him, I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. John 14.6
Thanks for this admission...
Ben Masada
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Jesus spoke as part of the Jewish People. Any Jew can say the same if he or she speaks as part of the People. Evidence of the fact is that Jesus himself in his Sermon of the Mount to a crowd of Jews said, "You are the light of the world." (Mat. 5:14)
Apple7
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Adding the verse before it...
You are the salt of the earth, but if the salt becomes tasteless, with what shall it be salted? For it has strength for nothing any more but to be thrown out and to be trampled under by men. Mat 5.13
Again, directed at the Jews....they have become tasteless...they have lost their strength, and are relegated to being thrown out and trampled under foot.
Keep the verses coming...
Ben Masada
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How could the Jews have become tasteless if the whole world can't eat any thing without salt? You mention the right quote how the Jews are needed and deny them without reason. It means you don't believe a thing Jesus said. So much for claiming to be a Christian as a result of believing that Jesus was "Christ."
Apple7
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Do Jews typically murder those who they reject as Christ?
Ben Masada
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Do you have any idea about the definition of "Christ?" The term means "the Anointed One of the Lord." According to Prophet Habakkuk, "The Lord goes forth to save His People; to save His Anointed One. That's what "Christ" means, the Anointed One of the Lord aka Israel, the son of God if you read Exodus 4:22,23. How can we reject and murder our own selves? If you are not studying your own NT, at least add Logic to it to see how much of the Truth you can learn.
Apple7
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Christ refers to a divine consecration.
The same NT that you freely quote for your position, repeatedly informs the reader that your people murdered Christ.
Ben Masada
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What did you expect if the authors of the gospels were Hellenist former disciples of Paul? If you don't believe me, read II Thimothy 2:8 and Acts 9:20. Paul gave away the secret to his disciple Thimothy that Jesus was of the lineage of David and that he resurrected was all according to his own - Paul's gospel.
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How do you feel about slandering Jesus' People and spreading those lies about the reason why Jesus was crucified? At least, read your own NT without Christian preconceived notions. For instance, take a look at Luke 19:37-40. Jesus was arrested on a political charge of insurrection because his own disciples were acclaiming him king of the Jews in Jerusalem which was a Roman province at the time. BTW, the Pharisees tried twice to save Jesus from being arrested first by Herod and second by Pilate. Besides, when Jesus was crucified, Pilate commanded that his verdict be nailed on the top of his cross aka INRI as an evidence of the truth that the Jewish People had nothing to do with the death of Jesus.
Apple7
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As previously stated....you promote Jewish Replacement Theology.
Apple7
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Think again...
Jesus addressing the Jews
υμεις εκ του πατρος του διαβολου εστε και τας επιθυμιας του πατρος υμων θελετε ποιειν εκεινος ανθρωποκτονος ην απ αρχης και εν τη αληθεια ουκ εστηκεν οτι ουκ εστιν αληθεια εν αυτω οταν λαλη το ψευδος εκ των ιδιων λαλει οτι ψευστης εστιν και ο πατηρ αυτου εγω δε οτι την αληθειαν λεγω ου πιστευετε μοι
umeis ek tou patros tau diabolou este kai tas epithumias tou patros umōn thelete poiein ekeinos anthrōpoktonos ēn ap archēs kai en tē alētheia ouk estēken oti ouk estin alētheia en autō otan lalē to pseudos ek tōn idiōn lalei oti pseustēs estin kai ho patēr autou egō de oti tēn alētheian legō ou pisteuete moi
You are from the Devil as the father, and the lusts of your father you desire to do. That one was a murderer from the beginning, and he has not stood in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own, because he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me. (John 8.44 – 45)
Here we have Jesus, Himself, proclaiming to the unbelieving Jews, in no uncertain terms, that they are from the Devil.
Jews who do not acknowledge Jesus as The Truth are doing the Devil’s work – they are following the Devil’s desires (epithumias), of which, he has been a murderer of man (anthrōpoktonos) from the very beginning.
Jesus had already rightly labeled Jews as murderers and liars long before they killed Him.
Peter to the Jews
ο θεος αβρααμ και ισαακ και ιακωβ ο θεος των πατερων ημων εδοξασεν τον παιδα αυτου ιησουν ον υμεις μεν παρεδωκατε και ηρνησασθε κατα προσωπον πιλατου κριναντος εκεινου απολυειν υμεις δε τον αγιον και δικαιον ηρνησασθε και ητησασθε ανδρα φονεα χαρισθηναι υμιν τον δε αρχηγον της ζωης απεκτεινατε ον ο θεος ηγειρεν εκ νεκρων ου ημεις μαρτυρες εσμεν
ho theos abraam kai isaak kai iakōb ho theos tōn paterōn ēmōn edoxasen ton paida autou iēsoun on umeis men paredōkate kai ērnēsasthe kata prosōpon pilatou krinantos ekeinou apoluein umeis de ton agion kai dikaion ērnēsasthe kai ētēsasthe andra phonea charisthēnai umin ton de archēgon tēs zōēs apekteinate on ho theos ēgeiren ek nekrōn ou ēmeis martures esmen
The "God of Abraham and Isaac and Jacob," "the God of our fathers," glorified the Son of Him, Jesus, whom you delivered up, and denied Him in the presence of Pilate, that one having decided to set Him free. But you denied the Holy and Just One, and asked for a man, a murderer, to be granted to you. And the Originator of Life you killed, whom God raised up from the dead, of which we are witnesses. (Acts 3.13 -15)
Here we have Peter declaring to the Jews that they rejected and killed (apekteinate) Jesus.
Following the example of their father, the Devil, the Jews chose the release of a murderer over that of Jesus Christ (the very originator of Life) – further proving that Jews prefer death over life.
Stephen to the Jewish Counsel
σκληροτραχηλοι και απεριτμητοι καρδιαις και τοις ωσιν υμεις αει τω πνευματι τω αγιω αντιπιπτετε ως οι πατερες υμων και υμεις τινα των προφητων ουκ εδιωξαν οι πατερες υμων και απεκτειναν τους προκαταγγειλαντας περι της ελευσεως του δικαιου ου νυν υμεις προδοται και φονεις εγενεσθε οιτινες ελαβετε τον νομον εις διαταγας αγγελων και ουκ εφυλαξατε
sklērotrachēloi kai aperitmētoi kardiais kai ōsin tois ōsin umeis aei tō pneumati tō agiō antipiptete ōs oi pateres umōn kai umeis tina tōn prophētōn ouk ediōxan oi pateres umōn kai apekteinan tous prokatangeilantas peri tēs eleuseōs tou dikaiou ou nun umeis prodotai kai phonies egenesthe oitines elabete ton nomon eis diatagas angelōn kai ouk ephulaxate
Obstinate and uncircumcised in heart and the ears, you always resist the Holy Spirit as the fathers of you, and you. Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? And they killed those who foretold concerning the coming of the Righteous One of whom now you have become betrayers and murderers. Who received the law by ordained messengers and did not keep. (Acts 7.51- 53)
Here we have Stephen addressing the Jewish Council, and telling them straight-out, as guided by the Holy Spirit, that their forefathers persecuted and killed (apekteinan) the prophets that foretold of Jesus’ coming.
Now that Jesus has come, the Jews, keeping in lock-step with their forefathers, become murderers (phonies) themselves by killing Jesus, fulfilling Satan’s desires.
Observe that the Jews are bestowed with full credit for murdering Jesus Christ.
Immediately after Stephen delivers his address to the Jewish Council, they prove him correct by murdering him in cold blood. Demonstrating that Jesus was right all along; the Jews are nothing but liars, murderers, followers of Satan.
Ben Masada
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That has never been the style of the Jews. The opposite is rather true that Christians have murdered millions of Jews for rejecting the Christ of Paul throughout pogroms, blood libels, Crusades, Inquisition and the Holocaust.
Apple7
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The Hebrews invented murder.
Ben Masada
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Prove that the Hebrews murdered any Christian throughout History and I'll prove to you through encyclopedias how many Jews were murdered by Christians.
Ben Masada
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I think I must stop here with you. You love to show yourself as an anti-Semite and that's not good in a respectable forum.
Apple7
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This is what scripture informs the reader.
Ben Masada
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The Scripture of Paul aka the NT?
Apple7
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John.