iamaberean
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Are you saying that God has a different plan of salvation for Jews than he does for the Gentiles?
ECT The ABCs of the salvation process
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The Jews missed the boat
Jesus came to the lost sheep of the House of Israel.
Paul was sent to the Gentiles.
However, everyone recognizes (except you) that basically ALL of Jesus' words
were recorded for ALL of posterity to be applied to ALL human beings.
Just like ALL of the epistle writers were speaking to ALL human beings
(including Jewish believers).
The Bible was written for the instruction of ALL humans for ALL time.
However, no one can understand the NT without the indwelling Holy Spirit.
Even then, most believers don't understand much.
Because of being deceived by many false teachers.
If anyone hasn't quite figured it out yet ...
all human beings are total spiritual idiots (unless given spiritual revelation).
This spiritual revelation is like precious GOLD,
and is meted (given) out gradually to whomever!
Your "assumption" is wrong. No BIG surprise there.
Back then, Peter preached the "Kingdom Message" to the Jews. Paul preached the "Grace Gospel" to the Gentiles.
Peters message: Faith in Christ plus works.
Paul's message: Faith alone without works.
Today, both Jew and Gentile are under the "Grace Message" alone.
You are challenged to show me where I have misunderstood Romans 6.
Except for the physical death vs. eternal death issue.
I realize you believe that the Lord Jesus goes around
killing believers who sin. Many LOLs.
So, thou doesn't need to repeat that blasphemy again and again.
You are like those who put up highway signs, and many other similar examples.
They think what they know (in their minds) is also known by everyone else!
If one is giving instructions to people ...
often one needs to consider them as just having arrived from Mars.
You cannot assume that people understand what you understand !!!
Dah.
achduke
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The Jews thought they were in the boat but were held back with the rest of us so that we would all have a chance to be saved. Now we are all waiting together.
Romans 11:28-32 28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. 29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. 30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: 31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. 32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
iamaberean
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Obedience is the works of faith, and that is what Paul wrote.
Rom 1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
Rom 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
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Exactly!! Obedience is for the same reasoning as you point out from Paul. You do because of who you are in Christ. You are because of what you do as unto the Lord.
heir
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All of the Bible is FOR us, but it's not all TO us. It doesn't say the same thing to all people of all time. Get real!
heir
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Obedience to the faith and of the faith is recognizing that faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God (Romans 10:17 KJV), that salvation is by grace through Christ's faith and obedience, even the death of the cross (Philippians 2:8 KJV) and that not of ourselves (Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV)! So, obey the truth by faith by trusting the Lord believing 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV!
It has been said, "The Bible is God's love letter to humanity!"
But, of course, you're too smart to understand that.
You just insist on continuing to be a spiritual moron.
But the really-big question remains a good one:
who's the most deceived, you or el Tottster?
iamaberean
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No Heir, it is our faith (obedience) to God that saves us. We are asked to believe God by faith.
Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Mat 17:20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.
Col 2:7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
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The Bible is God's love letter to His people. Except for decisions made in His foreknowledge, it is a dead book to all others.
You're a pathetic hack, a loser.
heir
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Titus 3:4-7 KJV
iamaberean
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Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Believing in Jesus is a step of faith (obedience). Faith is not a passive verb-it's an action verb (works).
Joh 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
heir
TOL Subscriber
When was Christ quickened?
Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
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Is that your best shot, all you have to offer?