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ECT Surrender to Christ
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Jamie Gigliotti
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There is freedom in surrender... God gives us love and Grace, His Spirit; How are we gonna respond to His amazing grace? He doesn't force us. In Romans 8 Paul set there is no condemnation for those who set there there minds on the Spirit, and by the Spirit we put to death the misdeeds of the body. He gives us the love and power and the free will to let Him move in us, He does not force us to love Him, we choose to because of His grace, or we don't. He gives us free will.
Can you lose you salvation by sinning continually ?
1Mind1Spirit
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Being led of the spirit and setting one's mind are two different things.
Of course you can.
Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Gen 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Gen 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
So how did Noah find grace in the eyes of the Lord?
Gen 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
Noah was different.
LA
The gospel in Romans is the same as in Hebrews.
There is only one gospel of Christ.
It is ludicrous to claim Christ changed His gospel to something other than He inaugurated at the beginning at the cross.
Rom 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
Rom 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Rom 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
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Jamie Gigliotti
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"For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgement and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries." Hebrews 10:26-27
PJ my only motivation is trying to encourage people to find the love, peace, and joy there is in Him.
SaulToPaul 2
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Afraid not, great one. The timing of the atonement is vastly different.
SaulToPaul 2
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glorydaz
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My goodness. Do you really think you can paraphrase Paul like that and end up with some kind of truth of your own design?
Romans 8:1-2
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
There is no condemnation to them which are IN CHRIST JESUS. That is why there is no condemnation for believers. Period. All the rest is an explanation and description of those in Christ as opposed to those in the flesh.
Romans 8:8-10
So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Jamie Gigliotti
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The thought line of Paul continues...
"For God has done what the law weakened by the flesh could not do, by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law, might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit." Romans 8:3-4
Surrender = walking according to the Spirit.
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glorydaz
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That's interesting how you just pull the word "surrender" out of the air that way.
Jamie, do you think God rescinds his promises ?
glorydaz
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That's interesting how you just pulled the word "surrender" out of thin air like that. :think:
Fact #1. Believers "walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." Romans 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Fact #2. Unbelievers (they that are after the flesh) mind the things of the flesh. Fact #3. Believers (they that are after the Spirit) do mind the things of the Spirit. Romans 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. Fact #4. Unbelievers (to be carnally minded) is death. Fact #5. Believers (to be spiritually minded) is life and peace. Romans 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Fact #6. Unbelievers (the carnal mind) is enmity against God. Fact #7. Unbelievers (they that are in the flesh) cannot please God. Romans 8:7-8 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. |
Primary FACT - Those with the Spirit of God dwelling in them are NOT IN THE FLESH.
Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Abraham had to give himself to the Lord AFTER he believed.
This he did when he obeyed the Lord and offered up Isaac , but you people keep offering up your uncrucified flesh (Ishmael)
You refuse the word of the Lord--
Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
Mal 1:8 And if ye offer the blind for sacrifice, is it not evil? and if ye offer the lame and sick, is it not evil? offer it now unto thy governor; will he be pleased with thee, or accept thy person? saith the LORD of hosts.
Isa 58:4 Behold, ye fast for strife and debate, and to smite with the fist of wickedness:
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glorydaz
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You don't have any idea what us "people" do. You only project your own faults onto others. It's always the same with you workers....
Jamie Gigliotti
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"Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever" Hebrews 13:8
Under that logic this verse would be excluded. Obviously there is truth in Hebrews for us all.
There is one Jesus, one sacrafice, one covenant of His blood, one love, one Spirit, one Kingdom of God, one way. For Jews and Gentiles.
Hebrews explains to the Jews how the covenant replaces the old. The new covenant which Gentiles are included in.
Jamie Gigliotti
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Either you walk by the Spirit by force or willingly.