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PneumaPsucheSoma

PneumaPsucheSoma

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Nang said:
Right. That would be Modalism.




Right. They/He cannot do otherwise.

But that is not the result of a synergism. That is the result of perichoresis.



You are the one complicating the matter because you do not accept the simple answer.

And to refuse the simple, correct answer, you deny holy attributes of God, and unrepentantly could care less. That is your sin.
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Just imagine if one generation of seminarians and other leaders allowed synergy to replace perichoresis. Within a half-century the Christian faith would be outright Tritheistic.

It's almost there now. THIS is why I've taken such a strong stand in the past against modern individual conceptualization and innovation regarding the Trinity doctrine.

A majority of modern professing Trinitarians are Tritheists, whether functionally or literally.
 
PneumaPsucheSoma

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Tambora said:
'When speaking of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit ....... they most certainly are working together.

Trying to switch the term of "they" into "Him" does not change the fact that the three are working together.
If only one of the three (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) were working, then it would not be the three working together.
But we do see the three of them working together.

No need to complicate it any further.

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I guess you better never call God "Him" ever again. And you wouldn't want to as the Tritheist you are.
 
Nang

Nang

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PneumaPsucheSoma said:
They all want everyone to judge. They want to be judged as saved. They just can't abide any other judgment.

They actually LOVE judgment. As long as its being judged as saved. And according to one work they did.
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But do not mention any judgment for the sins they are still prone to commit. The house comes down on you! :eek:

What is not understood, is that faith is belief in God's Truth . . all of God's revealed Truth. Faith is living by every word spoken (breathed) by God. Not just one short quote.

Yes, they want to believe the easy way. No deep study of the bible, no church attendance, no sacraments to cleanse and keep the conscience, no obedience, etc.

All of that is bad enough, but then they go on to assault the attributes of God; denying His omniscience first, then watering down His sovereignty, which leads to declaring Him mutable, etc. etc. This is Open Theism and MAD Dispensationalism working together. :)
 
PneumaPsucheSoma

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Nang said:
But do not mention any judgment for the sins they are still prone to commit. The house comes down on you! :eek:

What is not understood, is that faith is belief in God's Truth . . all of God's revealed Truth. Faith is living by every word spoken (breathed) by God. Not just one short quote.

Yes, they want to believe the easy way. No deep study of the bible, no church attendance, no sacraments to cleanse and keep the conscience, no obedience, etc.

All of that is bad enough, but then they go on to assault the attributes of God; denying His omniscience first, then watering down His sovereignty, which leads to declaring Him mutable, etc. etc. This is Open Theism and MAD Dispensationalism working together. :)
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I don't remember which of them are Open Theists for sure. Combine Dispensationalism, Arminianism, and Open Theism with bad Christology and Theology Proper with a misplaced understanding of faith and grace and mercy and love and sin and repentance... And it would be virtually impossible that any of them actually believe 1Corinthians 15:1-4 or any of the rest of scripture, and are saved. That would be almost impossible. It's not the Gospel.

They make Dispensationalism, Arminianism, Open Theism, and at least one work in to the Gospel.
 
john w

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PneumaPsucheSoma said:
Get it right. LOL.
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Is this "right," "the Gospel," "that simple Gospel," Jeff:?


"Any person who lives his life wrongly and does not repent of his sins, will be held responsible and judged for breaking God's laws and are justly consigned to death and hell. Sinners only receive what they have earned. Men reap what they sow."-Burt Endora Nag

Not a peep, from the man pleaser, not wanting to offend Nag, or anyone, who "supports" his proposon's, and all that jazz.
 
john w

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PneumaPsucheSoma said:
Yeah, I've specifically asked Mormons and JWs if they believe 1Corinthians 15:1-4 is the Gospel. They've all said yes. Unitarians and Arians do, too. I've asked them.
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"Any person who lives his life wrongly and does not repent of his sins, will be held responsible and judged for breaking God's laws and are justly consigned to death and hell. Sinners only receive what they have earned. Men reap what they sow."-Burt Endora Nag


You believe the above, like your buddy, Burt, do you, Jeff? The above is your definition, of good news, in "the" English, rummy?
 
john w

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PneumaPsucheSoma said:
They all want everyone to judge. They want to be judged as saved. They just can't abide any other judgment.

They actually LOVE judgment. As long as its being judged as saved. And according to one work they did.
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Translated:I, Jeff, assert "do not judge," even though I just made a judgment.


Father....Must I get into the ditch he is in, to help him out?
 
Tambora

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PneumaPsucheSoma said:
Do you affirm Monotheism?
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monotheism - working alone

Is the Father, or the Son, or the Holy Spirit ever working alone without the other two?



When you and another build a house, and one hammers and the other saws - THEY are working together..
But only one (alone) is doing the hammering and only one (alone) is doing the sawing.
Two different actions going on (hammering and sawing) by two within the one group (the builders).
And yet it can also be said that one action is going on (building a house) by one group (the builders) without any need to go into detail about which one was doing what specific chore that the other was not doing.
And for either one (the hammerer or the sawer) can be said "He is building a house".

The Father sent.
The Son came.
There are two actions going on by two (one sending and one coming).
And yet it can be said that THEY together saved.


Working together --- saving, building a house.
Working alone.--- sent (hammering), came (sawing)

Working alone.
Working together.

It's nowhere near as complicated as you try to make it if you just let the words speak for themselves.
 
theophilus

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Nang said:
God Almighty alone is the One God and He acts as Sovereign over all; needing no one or nothing to be what He IS. Such Simplicity is one of His attributes.

He works "together" with nothing and no one. He has revealed Himself as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and this revelation of I AM Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is never to be confounded or separated.

To apply synergy to this God Almighty is error, for there are no separate parts of God that necessitates their "working together." Rather, He must be worshipped as never working without all of Himself working according to the single will, purposes, and promises He has made known to His creatures.

The underlined is Truth, and Truth is divine perichosesis.

And what is most wonderful, is God has given knowledge of Truth to His chosen people and has provided them access into the realm of His divine glories.

To deny any of this is to deny you are His. Plain and simple. No kidding.
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What if you are a "babe" in the faith and don't know how to verbalize this truth yet. Are you still His?

Regeneration does not automatically make one a proficient apologist and sanctification takes a lifetime.

Can one be regenerate and not know Greek?

As we accept the truths of scripture and walk in them we are given more truth. Everyone does not walk at the same pace and we all certainly don't have the same vocabulary.

Are we still His?

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Nang

Nang

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Tambora said:
monotheism - working alone

Is the Father, or the Son, or the Holy Spirit ever working alone without the other two?



When you and another build a house, and one hammers and the other saws - THEY are working together..
But only one (alone) is doing the hammering and only one (alone) is doing the sawing.
Two different actions going on (hammering and sawing) by two within the one group (the builders).
And yet it can also be said that one action is going on (building a house) by one group (the builders) without any need to go into detail about which one was doing what specific chore that the other was not doing.
And for either one (the hammerer or the sawer) can be said "He is building a house".

The Father sent.
The Son came.
There are two actions going on by two (one sending and one coming).
And yet it can be said that THEY together saved.


Working together --- saving, building a house.
Working alone.--- sent (hammering), came (sawing)

Working alone.
Working together.

It's nowhere near as complicated as you try to make it if you just let the words speak for themselves.
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But none of this out of any necessity, Tam!

"Synergism" requires the co-operation of two parties. There is no such requirement(s) within the Godhead.

How many times does this have to be explained to you? When you place necessary requirements upon the purposes and actions of God Almighty, you deny His attribute of Simplicity.

How many other of His attributes do you deny? And can you deny God of His virtues without denying Him?

You are approaching Theology Proper with temporal terminology, in a strictly humanistic fashion, with nothing but your own humanistic philosophy . . which you deem to be a strength . . but it is a form of serious unbelief, and not faith at all.
 
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