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There you go.
sin/sins is not the issue today!
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Shasta
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In ordinary terminology sanctification is the practical outworking of salvation. In this nomenclature, a sanctification would be equivalent to what you call "being conformed to His Image." That is why I do not believe John Wesley's idea of entire sanctification. I believe we are forgiven but there is no one moment when we are completely conformed. I have met some people who had many Christ-like qualities but not that bore the image perfectly. Personally I do not worry about perfection. I was in a group that was always striving to die and it was misery and counter-productive at that. I do not worry about perfection. It is enough to walk with Him. God can measure my progress. Really the less I focus on myself the better I do.
I do not think we should in any way discount the immediate transformation that happens when a person is born again and the Spirit moves inside of them. Even that very first step is glorious. That one step becomes a walk whereby we are changed from glory to glory.
I believe we have to abide in His death. This is my understanding of Paul's revelation of our identification with the cross. At the same time walking in this is carried out incrementally as we yield our members to the Spirit.
"do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God (Romans 6:13)
Shasta
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The only thing that is important is how God thinks we ought to act and He has made that pretty clear. The aim of the New Covenant was so that God could write his laws on our hearts, minds and consciences. Instead of just giving us a pilot's manual he moved the pilot inside us in the Person of the Holy Spirit. The purpose of this relationship with God, established through the death of the Son is so that:
the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit (Romans 8:4)
If anything I have learned that God does not command me to do anything that He does not enable me to do (Phil. 2:13). HOW He wants us to act is defined by the two greatest laws which necessarily excludes those long lists of sinful practices Paul often wrote about in his epistles (e.g., Galatians 5:19-21).
Paul the "Apostle of Grace" certainly did not put up with immorality going on in believers lives. He did not rejoice at their "liberty" as some in the Corinthian Church were doing. He actually did what the PC crowd constantly tells us NOT to do. He "judged" the man...and he was not even present to do it firsthand (1 Corinthians 5:3)
No I certainly would not set any pet peeve of mine as the standard of righteousness, but rather what God said...if that answers your question.
Shasta
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I cannot judge motives but actions are evident. In fact, we are told how to recognize true believers.
If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth (1 John 1:6)
Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him, (1 John 2:4)
This person's continual way of life involves not keeping the moral law of God. If I saw a person living this way I would not identify them as a Christian.
No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God (1 John 3:9)
Salvation interrupts the sinful pattern of life.
Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him (1 John 3:15)
The cult John was writing against believed that their spiritual life had nothing to do with whether they obeyed the moral law.
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So do you think that David was not saved?
Act 13:22 KJV And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will.
glorydaz
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Indeed. There is always someone who will find fault in what another does. Then someone else will find fault in what that one does. Faults faults everywhere are faults. Some are small like worry and doubt. Some are big like looking at other people instead of themselves. That last is what irks me the most.
glorydaz
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And right you are. :thumb:
glorydaz
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Obeying the "commandments" has nothing to do with being "children of the light". Those IN CHRIST are in the LIGHT.
heir
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You can show anyone their need for the Saviour, and the gospel of Christ by the scriptures. It takes a moment and can save them for eternity!
heir
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The Calvinist sure knows a thing or two about redefining terms, heh? LOL
FYI: It was His washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost that was shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour!
Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Titus 3:6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
Titus 3:7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
It is impossible for us to lose salvation!
Romans 8:38-39 KJV, Ephesians 1:13-14 KJV
you and many others here make posts that help people. they help me, even if i'm the only one. nobody agrees on every detail but i get more pos than neg experiences here, i'm not kissing up to anyone or anything either, i'd say the same thing, no matter who makes good posts. thanks a whole big bunch -
Good post.
Good post.
It seems to me that, you're the one who doesn't have
ANY intelligent answers! Just my educated observance.
Good post. This post should give "Shasta" pause?
This statement needs further clarification?
Shasta, what church or denomination are you/have you, been
affiliated with? Be honest and open as you ought to be as a
believer.
affiliated with? Be honest and open as you ought to be as a
believer.
j4jesus09
New member
Yes you are right you can feel like alot of things lol. What I was making mention of though is it takes time to know that ultimately we are dead to sin because we are not all knowing of what certain sins are sometimes. It's a matter of learning and trusting in God and being led by the Holy Spirit. The flesh is is overcome or defeated by TRUTH of the bible through constant prayer and meditation on God's words. To learn specific areas of truth takes time. That's all I was stating or answering when Jerry mentioned why does Paul state to mortify the flesh as if one is to be saved and we believe we can go live for the flesh. Of course not, once you are saved God gives us instruction on how to defeat our flesh or temptations. Before we were saved we had no power over sin. Once saved, the Holy Spirit gives us the power to resist and ultimately figure out that we are OVERCOMERS. Hope that clears it up.
heir
TOL Subscriber
Whatsoever is not of faith is sin (Romans 14:23 KJV) and the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23 KJV). The good news is, Christ took the payoff (Romans 4:25 KJV, Romans 5:12-18 KJV). The good news is, all trespasses are forgiven (Colossians 2:13 KJV)! That includes unbelief (1 Timothy 1:13-16 KJV)! Trust the Lord believing that Christ died for YOUR sins and that He was buried and rose again the third day and you will be saved (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV)!