ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
Well, maybe Barbie
Should We Have Women Pastors Today ?
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That is just about 10,000% better than your first attempt!
See how interesting and fun it is when you give substantive answers! Even if you fail to convince a soul, you strengthen your own faith within your own heart and mind. And, if you're just batting things around with people who don't necessarily disagree with you, everyone is edified. No one, on the other hand, is served in any respect whatsoever by the basically mindless one liners that are so painfully prevalent on this website.
In answer to the question, why are women naturally more likely to be deceived than men?...
There are several possible reasons but the most prominent is that women are geared more toward nurturing and interpersonal relationships than men are and, as a result, are moved by emotional considerations as apposed to men being more emotionally detached, analytical an objective and, as a result are moved by facts, figures and logic. The one set of attributes completes the other and so neither is "superior" in the general sense but it does leave women in a more vulnerable state in terms of being deceived.
Clete
P.S.
In regards to the authority structure in churches, I think it has as at least as much to do with the ramifications it has on how children are brought up as it does anything else. When children see their fathers being good leaders, both at home and at church, it teaches them something about God's authority. The way a child sees and related to their earthly father will be reflected in their attitudes toward THE Father. This is at least part of the reason why church leaders must first be good husbands and fathers at home.
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I've made the mistake of thinking someone was a girl instead of a guy and vice versa on this forum more than once. It's an understandable mistake.
I thought Hoping was a girl at first. I have since been corrected.
User "Gods Truth" was clearly a woman, despite so vehemently refusing to answer which she was.
Or, at the very least, a very effeminate man who didn't have the testosterone to just come out and say it.
Which brings me to my position on this thread's topic, @Rodger:
If women are pastoring the church, regardless of how many biological males there are in the congregation, there aren't any men in it who can stand up and lead, and BE men.
It will have become a very effeminate church.
God expects men to be the head of their household.
If they cannot effectively lead their household, how can they expect to lead a congregation.
Hence why Paul says, for anyone in a position of leadership over the church, he must be a "one-woman man, ruling their children and their own houses well," and he also says, "the head of woman is man."
Thank you for your kind words about mistaking someone's avatar for a woman.
I agree. The husband is the head of the household is all about Federal Headship = Responsibility.
It wasn't the avatar. Hoping doesn't have an avatar.
I was talking about how the person wrote.
Nah.... I always thought you were some other dude.
No problem, it happens.
Live and learn.
The scripture you posted is:
1 Timothy 3:1-3 (KJV)
"This is a true saying, If a "man" desire the office of a bishop, "he" desireth a good work. 2A bishop then must be blameless, "the husband of one wife," vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous".
Where in that scripture is Paul giving instructions about what sort of women should have the position?
I'm flexible on it.
HOWEVER, I believe a "bishop" (from the scripture you quoted) is not a "leader" of the assembly but a "servant" of the assembly to keep things orderly, civil, and safe which would include being a bouncer for those that act disorderly and cause a ruckus.
I think men are better options for that job, practically speaking.
So I, as a woman, I would rather have men in that position because I would feel more secure.
ok doser is NOT a woman ?
Isn't it funny how a single picture can warp an impression.
Sorry, ok doser.
Your "resume" doesn't make mention of your gender.
Nah.
He just cries like one. ((((((just kidding)))))))
Some people will look for anything as an excuse for their lack of knowledge.
It's easier than getting an education.
I'm so glad I'm smart.
hehe!
Can't believe what anyone tells ya anyway.
Got dudes all over the place calling himself a woman these days.
Thanks for your responce.
Now what we believe or think does not matter.
There are NO Scriptures that say a woman can be a pastor or a deacon. There are NO Scriptures which say that the woman can have authority over the man in teaching the Scriptures.
Women can teach women, children, lead the music and hold any other office in the church except the ordained position of Pastor or deacon. That is because God said that ""This is a true saying, If a "man" desire the office of a bishop, "he" desireth a good work."
The Biblical meaning of the word "Bishop" is ......Overseer!
It comes from the Greek term episkapos which has also been translated as “episcopal,” “elder,” “overseer,” or “pastor.” All refer to the same office and are therefore synonyms.
OK doser was who I thought we were talking about????
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
Never heard of him
How in the world did you come to think that I was talking about doser by reading my post?
I never mentioned doser. Why would I have been talking about him?
You might want to broaden your scripture search of what God intends for men and women.
Take a gander at:
Joel 2
(28) And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh; your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, and your young men shall see visions.
(29) Even on the male and female servants in those days I will pour out my Spirit.
In scripture God uses both men and women as authorities to guide, judge, and rule His people.
One such example is:
Judges 4
(4) Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, was judging Israel at that time.
(5) She used to sit under the palm of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim, and the people of Israel came up to her for judgment.
Thanks for the advice.
Allow me to say that the Scripture is Joel 2 has nothing to do with TODAY! May I respond to your ............
"You might want to broaden your scripture search of what God intends for men and women."
Actually, I find that a little offensive as you have NO knowledge of me whatsoever.
Now, Just to show you that I have a broader understanding of the Scriptures, please allow me to say that A comparison of Acts 2:16-21 to the prophecy in Joel 2:28-32 reveals that there are a few changes in wording that should be noticed.
The Joel prophecy starts with the statement “I will pour out My Spirit.”
Acts states, “. . . in the last days” and then quotes the Joel 2:28-32.
It is important to notice that the apostle Peter is very careful when he quotes Joel 2:28-32. He does not say that the prophecy was fulfilled when the Holy Spirit descended on the apostles on the day of Pentecost and they spoke in tongues (Acts 2:1-13).
Instead, he simply says this “is what was spoken of through the prophet Joel.” That is to say that the prophet Joel referred to the outpouring of the Holy Spirit that would occur at the end of the tribulation.
Now, take note that Zechariah 12:1-14 describes the tribulation and Zechariah 12:10-14 refers to the outpouring of the Spirit at the battle of Armageddon. Zechariah 14:1-7 describes the second coming of Christ.
Now as for Deborah. Every single word you posted is true and I agree with every one of them. However, that has absolutely nothing to do with women being pastors in a New Test. church.
God has used women mightily over the years and continues to do so. The point is that God instituted Federal Headship with Adam and made man head of the family and said that MAN was to be the leader of the church for the purpose of responsibility.
Thank you for your response!
My bad.
I thought post #34...........was directed to me.
"It wasn't the avatar. Hoping doesn't have an avatar.
I was talking about how the person wrote."