School worksheet tells kids GOP/Conservatives think helping poor 'waste of money

[Morpheus]

You tell me, show me your evidence that even most conservative as well as gop affiliates think helping the poor is a waste of money and ill show you my evidence that conservatives give more $ to charities than liberals. And out of our own pockets verses someone elses, at that.

We could compare checkbooks sometime. Game?

Why should food stamps be a favorable thing to you? Wouldnt not being on them be preferable?

The only thing i don't like about them is that some people make them a way of life. I have absolutely no problem with people using them to get back on their feet when something happens, i only have a problem when they think they are entitled and stay on them for generations.

Please explain why you think you know what everyone thinks and why you think no one can have their own opinions.

Jim Jones was a murderous atheist. Should i think thats what you are since you are an atheist and then assume thats what all atheists are?

If you are so narrow minded that you can only live by group think, i feel sorry for you.

Actually Jim Jones claimed to be a Christian minister. When I was a kid in Indianapolis he, as a local preacher, could be heard on the radio, and was occasionally seen wandering the streets on the Westside. That is how he gained his following. I really don't know of many atheist churches, and I really can't see an "atheist minister" getting other atheists hyped up enough to commit suicide.

Indianapolis...the home of Jim Jones and the birthplace of the John Birch Society. The biggest sheep farm in America.

 

[Lexington'96]

The worst part of this assignment is that they imply that Fascism is an extreme form of Conservatism.

 

[shagster01]

I could be like you and make assumptions about others just because of a group they belong to, and base that entire group no matter what size it is on what i think about a few and i would then be just.like.you.

You mean like when one individual family threw a fit about a grave and you titled your thread about it, "Muslims Think They Should Be Allowed to Ban ‘Others’ From Public Cemetery"?????

 

[Angel4Truth]

We could compare checkbooks sometime. Game?

No, sorry, i dont give out my financial information to strangers on the internet. You go right ahead though.

Actually Jim Jones claimed to be a Christian minister.

Thats false, just check wikipedia even you libbies like that site. I love watching some of you claim things that is evident you don't know what you are talking about.

When I was a kid in Indianapolis he, as a local preacher, could be heard on the radio, and was occasionally seen wandering the streets on the Westside. That is how he gained his following. I really don't know of many atheist churches, and I really can't see an "atheist minister" getting other atheists hyped up enough to commit suicide.

Indianapolis...the home of Jim Jones and the birthplace of the John Birch Society. The biggest sheep farm in America.

Keep going, everyone who really knows anything about the man knows good and well he never claimed to be a christian minister and in fact was quite open about how much he hated christianity and loved communism.

 

[Morpheus]

No, sorry, i dont give out my financial information to strangers on the internet. You go right ahead though.



Thats false, just check wikipedia even you libbies like that site. I love watching some of you claim things that is evident you don't know what you are talking about.




Keep going, everyone who really knows anything about the man knows good and well he never claimed to be a christian minister and in fact was quite open about how much he hated christianity and loved communism.

I'm 61 years old from Indianapolis. I remember well Jim Jones from my youth. He was on the radio regularly, and on television occasionally.

Partial quote. See link below for full text.

Jones was surprised when a Methodist superintendent helped him to get a start in the church even though he knew Jones to be a communist and Jones did not meet him through the Communist Party.[16] In 1952, Jones became a student pastor in Sommerset Southside Methodist Church, but claimed he left that church because its leaders barred him from integrating blacks into his congregation.[14] Around this time, Jones witnessed a faith-healing service at a Seventh Day Baptist Church.[14] He observed that it attracted people and their money and concluded that, with financial resources from such healings, he could help accomplish his social goals.[14]

Jones organized a mammoth religious convention to take place June 11 through June 15, 1956, in a cavernous Indianapolis hall called Cadle Tabernacle. To draw the crowds, Jim needed a religious headliner, and so he arranged to share the pulpit with Rev. William M. Branham, a healing evangelist and religious author as highly revered by some as Oral Roberts and Billy Graham.[5]

Jones then began his own church, which changed names until it became the Peoples Temple Christian Church Full Gospel.[14] The Peoples Temple was initially made as an inter-racial mission.

JimJones - Wikipedia

 

[resodko]

There is no overarching conservative solution for poverty's elimination ....

you should read george will on "poverty's elimination"

but you won't

 

[Morpheus]

you should read george will on "poverty's elimination"

but you won't

Gas chambers and mass graves don't count. It may be a solution, but it is commonly known as the final solution.

 

[Angel4Truth]

I'm 61 years old from Indianapolis. I remember well Jim Jones from my youth. He was on the radio regularly, and on television occasionally.

Partial quote. See link below for full text.



JimJones - Wikipedia

By the early 1970s, Jones began deriding traditional Christianity as "fly away religion," rejecting the Bible as being a tool to oppress women and non-whites, and denouncing a "Sky God" who was no God at all.[14] Jones wrote a booklet titled "The Letter Killeth," criticizing the King James Bible.[40] Jones also began preaching that he was the reincarnation of Mahatma Gandhi (murdered in 1948) and Father Divine (died in 1965), as well as Jesus of Nazareth, Gautama Buddha and Vladimir Lenin. Former Temple member Hue Fortson, Jr. quoted Jones as saying, "What you need to believe in is what you can see ... If you see me as your friend, I'll be your friend. As you see me as your father, I'll be your father, for those of you that don't have a father ... If you see me as your savior, I'll be your savior. If you see me as your God, I'll be your God."[9]

In a 1976 phone conversation with John Maher, Jones alternately stated that he was an agnostic and an atheist.[41] Despite the Temple's fear that the IRS was investigating its religious tax exemption, Marceline Jones admitted in a 1977 New York Times interview that Jones was trying to promote Marxism in the United States by mobilizing people through religion, citing Mao Zedong as his inspiration.[37] She stated that, "Jim used religion to try to get some people out of the opiate of religion," and had slammed the Bible on the table yelling "I've got to destroy this paper idol!"[37] In one sermon, Jones said that, "You're gonna help yourself, or you'll get no help! There's only one hope of glory; that's within you! Nobody's gonna come out of the sky! There's no heaven up there! We'll have to make heaven down here!"[9]

 

[shagster01]

Let me see here. . .

Jim Jones was associated with Christianity at one point, but later says he converted to Atheism. Result: No longer a Christian in the mind of a Christian conservative.

Barack Obama was associated with Islam at one point, but says he converted to Christianity. Result: Still a Muslim in the mind of a Christian conservative.

 

[shagster01]

Sorry, but this silly little quiz has more truth to it than you think. The message implicit to much of the right's responses to poverty is simple: If you're poor, it's your fault. I don't see any conservatives talking favorably about food stamps. Ya know?

I think it's, "If you're poor, you didn't work hard to inherit my daddy's wealth like I did."

 

[Morpheus]

No, sorry, i dont give out my financial information to strangers on the internet. You go right ahead though.



Thats false, just check wikipedia even you libbies like that site. I love watching some of you claim things that is evident you don't know what you are talking about.




Keep going, everyone who really knows anything about the man knows good and well he never claimed to be a christian minister and in fact was quite open about how much he hated christianity and loved communism.

Never claimed? He claimed it for decades, and only stated otherwise privately later. His followers went to Jonestown with him as part of his church. In most cults, the leaders claim Christian pastoral authority while incorporating lies gradually into their teaching. Jones was no different.

Jones had first started building Jonestown, formally known as the "Peoples Temple Agricultural Project", several years before the New West article was published. Jonestown was promoted as a means to create both a "socialist paradise" and a "sanctuary" from the media scrutiny in San Francisco.[58] Jones purported to establish Jonestown as a benevolent model communist community stating, "I believe we’re the purest communists there are."[59] In that regard, like the restrictive emigration policies of the Soviet Union, Cuba, North Korea and other communist states, Jones did not permit members to leave Jonestown.[60]

Religious scholar Mary McCormick Maaga argues that Jones' authority decreased after he moved to the isolated commune, because he was not needed for recruitment and he could not hide his drug addiction from rank and file members.[61] In spite of the allegations prior to Jones' departure to Jonestown, the leader was still respected by some for setting up a racially mixed church which helped the disadvantaged; 68 percent of Jonestown's residents were black.[62] Jonestown was where Jones began his belief in what he called "Translation," where he and his followers would all die together and move to another planet and live blissfully.[63]

 

[Angel4Truth]

Never claimed? He claimed it for decades, and only stated otherwise privately later. His followers went to Jonestown with him as part of his church. In most cults, the leaders claim Christian pastoral authority while incorporating lies gradually into their teaching. Jones was no different.

He called his temple a church, doesnt make it a christian one, he was an open atheist. You do know there are other atheist "churches" in existance dont you?

 

[Morpheus]

He called his temple a church, doesnt make it a christian one, he was an open atheist. You do know there are other atheist "churches" in existance dont you?

And that is why he was still held in regard by some other Christian ministers up until the end.

In spite of the allegations prior to Jones' departure to Jonestown, the leader was still respected by some for setting up a racially mixed church which helped the disadvantaged

I did embolden this text in my prior post. I don't know why you continue arguing against what is obvious. Have you ever been "wrong", or are you always right no matter what all the books say to the contrary?

 

[Angel4Truth]

And that is why he was still held in regard by some other Christian ministers up until the end.


I did embolden this text in my prior post. I don't know why you continue arguing against what is obvious. Have you ever been "wrong", or are you always right no matter what all the books say to the contrary?

The obvious is that when he started his temple he was an open atheist, open communist, it wasnt hidden. If you wish to pretend the man was a christian, knock yourself out and enjoy your koolaid.

 

[Morpheus]

The obvious is that when he started his temple he was an open atheist, open communist, it wasnt hidden. If you wish to pretend the man was a christian, knock yourself out and enjoy your koolaid.

Never said he was a Christian. I simply stated that he claimed to be Christian and was a minister for decades. You do realize that there are Christian Communists, don't you? Not all Communists are Marxists.

The fact is that several Christian ministers highly regarded him and his church until the end. Christian ministers typically don't make it a practice to hold atheist leaders in high regard.

People in a cult don't recognize their church as a cult. JWs call themselves followers of Christ, but not Christian. Mormons call themselves Christians. Jones compared himself to Jesus toward the end.

Jonestown Massacre

History Channel: Jonestown

 

[patrick jane]

oh, this thread is about jim jones now

 

[Morpheus]

oh, this thread is about jim jones now

These threads do take some strange twists on occasion, don't they?

 

[Town Heretic]

oh, this thread is about jim jones now

Boy could that guy sing...shame he's dead. lain:

These threads do take some strange twists on occasion, don't they?

You're thinking about Chevy Checker. Jim Jones sang "What's Up Pussycat?"

I know. It wasn't any better in the other thread either. :nono:

 

[republicanchick]

Ok, so if the survey isnt intended to show right or wrong answers, like the school board claims then why was it graded and handed back to the student with corrections?

Then of course there is the matter of School worksheet tells kids GOP thinks helping poor 'waste of money,' parent claims

Thoughts?

what about the fact that CHURCHES cannot tell you how to vote but PUBLIC schools CAN???


Whoa...​

 

[quip]

I have more of a problem with #2.

The anti-communist propaganda machine must be working well in this country....it's not even being challenged by either side.