ROMANS 2:16 WHAT IS PAUL SAYING?

[jamie]

You still can't address the facts of my original reply because Paul taught a different gospel. There was the religion of Jesus and then Paul's religion about Jesus, a new and different gospel.

Paul preached the gospel of the kingdom of God just as Jesus did.

And when they had preached the gospel to that city and made many disciples, they returned to Lystra, Iconium, and Antioch, strengthening the souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith and saying, “We must through many tribulations enter the kingdom of God.” (Acts 14:21-22 NKJV)​

 

[Hawkins]

Romans 2:16 says that the gentiles are not judged by the same set of law given to the Jews. Although the gentiles don't have the law (Mosaic Law), they will still be judged by law but another set of Law which are written in their hearts.

To be more precise, God needs only one set of Law to be used on the Judgment Day which is reserved for the unsaved. The saved will be saved though God's Grace displayed in the various covenants.

Basically, the gentiles will be saved by God's Grace through Christ if they are deemed qualified by their efforts in observing the Law written in their hearts. The Jews will be saved by God's Grace through Jesus Christ if they are deemed qualified by their efforts in observing the Law given by Moses. The rest will be deemed unqualified by the covenants granted and thus will be judged by God's universal set of Law which Adam broke in Eden. The above applies to all mankind along the history of humanity.

The best of the best, of course is to accept the New Covenant brought us by Jesus Himself.

 

[Robert Pate]

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but God does not sit around neg-reping people two or three times a day and telling them to go to hell. Oh, wait, that last part was not GM but his comrade in arms NM from page one who told me to go to hell, but then again if you think that GM "thinks like God thinks" then you probably think the same about his murder inc partners in spiritual crime, (and no doubt you think you think like God thinks also). Ah well, have a nice thread, O ye god-like thinkers.

:sheep:

"For by your words you shall be justified and by your words you shall be condemned" Matthew 12:37.

 

[Robert Pate]

Paul preached the gospel of the kingdom of God just as Jesus did.

And when they had preached the gospel to that city and made many disciples, they returned to Lystra, Iconium, and Antioch, strengthening the souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith and saying, “We must through many tribulations enter the kingdom of God.” (Acts 14:21-22 NKJV)​

Jesus did not teach the Gospel that justifies the ungodly Romans 4:5 and reconciles the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:19.

 

[daqq]

You're clueless. :rotfl:

You obviously did exactly what I suggested you did which is that you did not even read all of the context of your own quote because you only quoted that passage to make the inferior singular point which you highlighted. Paul says that the gentiles without the law are a law unto themselves and even without the law shall die without the law. It all has to do with exactly what I told you from that passage, (in other words the words of Paul and not my own) which is that your own conscience will either accuse or even excuse you in that day. You and your OP buddy are not going to escape the Bema Seat Judgment of Messiah like he has suggested previously herein, but rather as Paul says, all must stand before the Bema-Seat of Messiah Yeshua. You have not been there or you would have understood what I said. It is therefore you who is both blind, and clueless, and the passage which you quoted to begin with is the very evidence against your corrupt understanding.

:sheep:

 

[Caino]

Paul preached the gospel of the kingdom of God just as Jesus did.

And when they had preached the gospel to that city and made many disciples, they returned to Lystra, Iconium, and Antioch, strengthening the souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith and saying, “We must through many tribulations enter the kingdom of God.” (Acts 14:21-22 NKJV)​

Paul preached "Christ and him crucified", Jesus obviously didn't preach Christ and him crucified because he hadn't been crucified yet. Paul never knew Jesus, he got some of his thinking from impulsive Peter who began to preach about "Christ and him crucified" on the day of Pentecost. Peter kind of forgot about the old gospel of salvation by spirit born faith.

 

[Caino]

No, he thinks like God thinks.

Jesus spent a lot of time training the messengers on the original gospel, he never mentioned that a new guy would pop up and teach a new gospel to the Gentiles.....but he did say "be aware of false prophets" perhaps a warning about Paul and others who took the movement in a new direction, institutionalizing a new religion about --->Jesus, reestablishing a Sanhedrin like corruption that would persecute and kill in his name.

 

[Robert Pate]

Jesus spent a lot of time training the messengers on the original gospel, he never mentioned that a new guy would pop up and teach a new gospel to the Gentiles.....but he say be aware of false prophets" perhaps a warning about Paul and others who took the movement in a new direction, institutionalizing a new religion about Jesus, reestablishing a Sanhedrin like corruption that would persecute and kill in his name.

You are so far from the truth that you are hopeless.

Paul received the Gospel directly from Jesus Christ, Galatians 1:11, 12.

It is the same Gospel that Peter preached, only more in depth.

 

[Caino]

You are so far from the truth that you are hopeless.

Paul received the Gospel directly from Jesus Christ, Galatians 1:11, 12.

It is the same Gospel that Peter preached, only more in depth.

I believe in the gospel before Jesus was killed, the Gospel of The Kingdom of Heaven.

You see, the 4 gospels were written after Paul had begun his preaching and influenced the interpretation of the meaning of Jesus' ministry. The gospels are really the gospel according to Paul.

Jesus would not have taught Paul a NEW gospel where God finally forgives after his innocent Son was rejected and killed by the Jews who were supposed to receive the original gospel. Christianity doesn't make any sense when it comes to the killing of Jesus.

Jesus discusses his gospel being rejected:​

"There was a certain landowner who planted a vineyard and set a hedge around it, dug a winepress in it and built a tower and he leased it to vinedressers and went into a far country. Now when vintage-time drew near, he sent his servants to the vinedressers, that they might receive its fruit and the vinedressers took his servants, beat one, killed one and stoned another. Again he sent other servants, more than the first and they did likewise to them. Then last of all he sent his son to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ But when the vinedressers saw the son, they said among themselves, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and seize his inheritance.’ So they took him and cast him out of the vineyard and killed him. “Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vinedressers?” They said to Him, “He will destroy those wicked men miserably and lease his vineyard to other vinedressers who will render to him the fruits in their seasons.” ​

Christians claim "oh, they were supposed to kill the Son", that is the gospel???????

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

I believe in the Urantia Book. Only because
my IQ fits my shoe size and no other reason.

I changed it for ya. You don't have to thank me, unless you want to?

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

You are so far from the truth that you are hopeless.

Paul received the Gospel directly from Jesus Christ, Galatians 1:11, 12.

It is the same Gospel that Peter preached, only more in depth.

He's a "Urantia Moron." Caino has no control over what he thinks or says.
The Intergalactic cosmic beings are in full control of him. If you don't
believe me, don't ask him.

 

[Caino]

He's a "Urantia Moron." Caino has no control over what he thinks or says.
The Intergalactic cosmic beings are in full control of him. If you don't
believe me, don't ask him.

TOL's award winning "Troll of the year" :first:
because he has no answer.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

TOL's award winning "Troll of the year" :first:
because he has no answer.

How's your UFO business going? A little slow this time of year?

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Bump