Jerry Shugart
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I used to hear, and make, and believe, many of these same arguments when I was an independent fundamental Acts 2 Baptist.
Strange, ain't it.
Which specific arguments?
I used to hear, and make, and believe, many of these same arguments when I was an independent fundamental Acts 2 Baptist.
Strange, ain't it.
Why did you not quote a verse which said that Noah was a believer BEFORE he found grace and was saved?
king Saul is the one jerry has no definite answer for except to obfuscate
1Sa 28:15
1Sa 28:16 And Samuel said, "Why then do you ask me, since the LORD has turned from you and become your enemy?
I was referring to his salvation from the flood.
It is a picture.
Jerry has picked out and isolated a few verses from John, while ignoring the context of the words of the Lord's entire earthly ministry.
Why? To defend "original MAD", as if there is such a thing.
Throughout history men have been saved in only one way--by grace through faith."
Jerry has picked out and isolated a few verses from John, while ignoring the context of the words of the Lord's entire earthly ministry.
Why? To defend "original MAD", as if there is such a thing.
he only has one dispensation
ah that's why you have only one dispensationDispensations are not about 'salvation" but instead they are about " service."
The Greek word translated "dispensations" is often translated "stewardships." And once a person has been given a stewardship responsibility he becomes a steward to "serve" the Lord Jesus.
You might actually make an effort to learn the Biblical meaning of the Greek word translated "dispensation" or else you are going to continue to look clueless.
Perhaps STP is so uninformed that he is not aware that "grace" and "works" are mutually excusive.
You are obviously unable to provide a verse or verses which prove that Noah was a believer BEFORE he found grace and was saved?
Are you denying the truth that Noah became a heir of the righteousness which is by faith and faith alone
You should consider:
salvation by faith
vs
salvation by grace through faith
STP once again runs and hides from this verse which declares that the Jews who lived under the law were saved by faith plus works:
Throughout history men have been saved in only one way--by grace through faith."
Jews in the old testament if they had faith and kept the law
would be saved
STP once again runs and hides from this verse which declares that the Jews who lived under the law were not saved by faith plus works:
"Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all" (Ro.4:16).
Perhaps STP is so uninformed that he is not aware that "grace" and "works" are mutually excusive.
Evidently the teachers within the Pseudo-MAD community are not even aware of that fact.
That is certainly true in this dispensation, and according to the revelation of the mystery.
Jerry Shugart;434 [INDENT said:"And such were some of you: but ye washed yourselves, but ye were sanctified, but ye were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God " (1 Cor.6:11; RV, Marginal Note).[/INDENT]
Paul used king David as an example of a Jew who lived under the law but yet he was saved apart from works:
"What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin" (Ro.4:1-8).
So you are telling me that PAUL WASHED his SINS AWAY ??