beloved57
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That's on you. You should have printed out the post and framed it since you ask me the question about ten to twenty times before.
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Reconciliation Scriptures Refutes Calvinism
- Thread starter Robert Pate
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Why don't you confess that you can't answer the question?
If God has reconciled us and the world unto himself by Jesus Christ, then why would anyone need to be predestinated? 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.
Where is your sister Nanja? She can't answer the question either and is hiding somewhere.
beloved57
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Maybe sister Nanja can bail you out.
If God has reconciled us and the world to himself by Jesus Christ then why does any one need to be predestinated? 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.
ANSWER: No one has been predestinated. There is no scripture anywhere in the Bible about anyone being predestinated to heaven or to hell. The doctrine came out of the perverted brain of a heretic in the 1500's.
beloved57
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She doesn't need to pay you any attention because she has answered you before. You should have printed it out.
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Brother Ducky
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You are correct here, Mr. Pate. We have never, ever seen someone put forth the idea of Universal Reconciliation before. Except for your 5000 identical threads.
Why predestination if all are reconciled? Maybe it is because you really do not believe in universal reconciliation. You believe that some will have the evil lying god of Patism throw them out and un-reconcile them. The predestined ones are the ones that remain reconciled.
By this time you have to know that this just is not true for almost all Calvinists. So it would seem to be a deliberate lie on your part.
Maybe you would like to answer the question?
If God has already reconciled us and the world unto himself by Jesus Christ, then why would anyone need to be predestinated? 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.
Please note that the scripture says "world", meaning all of humanity and not "Some Certain Persons" according to the Canons of Dort.
Brother Ducky
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You are making an assumption about the meaning of world. And of course you have the problem of all being reconciled but not all saved. Reconciled for you means maybe yes and maybe no. Those who are predestinated are those that are really reconciled and saved.
The only way that you can support Calvinism is to pervert God's word. You are a typical Calvinist.
Reconciliation is a two way street. One can reconcile themselves to another party without the other parties consent. It happens all the times.
God has reconciled all of humanity to himself without their consent.
But listen very closely my lost friend, If you don't accept the reconciling hand of God you will never see heaven. Paul said, "Be reconciled unto God" 2 Corinthians 5:20.
We become reconciled unto God when we trust in the reconciling work of God's Son Jesus Christ.
Nang
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LOL!
This is the most hilarious definition of "reconciliation" I have ever seen presented.
Pate's definition is the opposite of the meaning of reconciliation . . .
If God had done so, all of humanity would not be so currently destroying themselves, as they are in ungodly fashion.
Duh . . .
Nang, you have a zeal for God, but it is not according to the Gospel.
Jesus is your justifier and reconciler. When Jesus entered into heaven you entered in with him. Your humanity was constituted in him. Jesus is your substitute and representative.
This is why Paul wrote to the Colossians, "You are complete in him" Colossians 2:10.
God now sees you as perfect and complete in Jesus Christ and reconciled unto him.
If you are spiritually in heaven with Christ, Ephesians 2:6, Then there is no reason for you or anyone to be predestinated.
Repent from Calvinism and believe the Gospel.
fishrovmen
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Taking Nang personally out of the post, you now teach that everyone is justified, reconciled, perfect and complete "in Christ" without ever believing the Gospel?
HOGWASH!
No one is saved that does not receive Christ and his Gospel, John 1:12.
Salvation has been provided for all by the doing and dying of Jesus, but NOTHING is yours until you receive it.
fishrovmen
Active member
Then why did you tell Nang that Jesus is her justifier and reconciler; that God sees her as perfect and complete in Christ and then tell her to "believe the Gospel "?
Salvation has been provided for all by the doing and the dying of Jesus, Hebrews 2:9.
It is like going to a great banquet. The food has been prepared. The table is set. Your place has been reserved. All that you have to do is enter in sit down and partake.
If you don't enter in, sit down and partake, you have missed out.
fishrovmen
Active member
How does that answer the question I asked you of how Nang could be reconciled, justified, perfect and complete "in Christ " without believing the Gospel?
Salvation has been provided for Nang, but its not hers if she doesn't accept it.
Jesus Christ has provided salvation, justification, reconciliation, sanctification and glorification, but its not hers if she doesn't receive it. "That we might RECEIVE the promise of the Spirit through faith" Galatians 3:14. Everything in the New Testament is about receiving what God has given us in Jesus Christ.
Brother Ducky
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I would agree with your first 3 paragraphs, but not the last two. Frankly, you have no reason to doubt her salvation, other than she is Calvinistic.
Since you consider all Calvinists to be unsaved, it would appear that everything you write about is basically a meaningless construct. You are reconciled, and yet, not reconciled. Perfect and complete and yet imperfect and incomplete.
beloved57
Well-known member
False teaching !
beloved57
Well-known member
Heb 2:9 doesnt say that ? False teaching !