Real Science Radio: More Soft Tissue Confirms RSR Dino Prediction

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Yep. Still no rabbits in the Cambrian, either. For the obvious reason.
Yes...its obvious that rabbits don't live in water.*

However there are 'rabbits' found in the Cambrian that are*baffling to evolutionists. One such example is that sophisticated eye designs are found out of sequence according to standard evolutionary thinking and dating. (Although ToE is flexible and accommodates improbable, unlikely / counter intuitive evidence).*

We have long known that trilobites had one of the most sophisticated and complex eye designs of any creature; but something even more amazing. Giant shrimp about 3' long (1 meter) are dated at 515 myo by evolutionists. (Anomalocarus). These shrimp like creatures dated at more than a half billion years have eyes that contain about 16,000 hexagonal 'lenses'. This is somewhat similar to house flies which have 3,000 and dragonflies with 28,000.*

Dr John Patterson wrote:*
The latest find shows sophisticated vision had evolved very rapidly. It came with a bang, in a geological blink of an eye*
Nature#480 p237-240*
Notice what he is really saying.....*THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THE EYE EVOLVED.*Yep. Still no rabbits in the Cambrian, either. For the obvious reason.

Evolutionists often refuse the explanation that best fits the evidence... intelligent design indicates an Intelligent Designer. As an example of this evolutionary blind faith......*

Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences#90 wrote:*
...arthropod eye evolution has remained controversial, because one of*two seemingly unlikely*evolutionary histories must be true. " (haha) " Either compound eyes with detailed similarities evolved multiple times in different arthropod groups....or, compound eyes have been been lost in a Seemingly inordinate number of arthropod lineages*
(T.Oakley &C.Cunningham)*

Perhaps they should consider more than just the 2 "seeming unlikely " choices.*The evidence (sudden appearance and intelligently designed) fits what Gods Word tells us...*

God's Word says*"The hearing ear and the seeing eye, the Lord has made them both"
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Another precambrian 'rabbit'. Unfossilized exquisitely preserved wood has been found in a diamond quarry dated at 53 million years old. Interesting is that this is a warm climate wood, found in a cold climate with limited tree growth.Don't expect anyone to carbon date this ... It would pose too many questions with contradictory dates. Finding unfossilized wood in coal veins and diamond quarries poses no problems for the creation / flood model.*
http://www.plosone.org/article/info%...l.pone.0045537
 

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Ergo, the young earth model is still wrong. So the real question is how come the first scientist to make such a discovery finds no 14C, but the creationists who are out to prove the earth is young, are finding tons of it?
The real question is why do evolutionists continue to believe in 70,000,000 years inspite of evidence to the contrary. See attached link.... when evolutionists get results contrary to their belief system, they often dismiss with "it's obviously incorrect data".*

http://newgeology.us/presentation48.html


Perhaps it wasn't the data that was wrong, but the evolutionist assumptions.*
 

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See attached link.... when evolutionists get results contrary to their belief system, they often dismiss with "it's obviously incorrect data".*

http://newgeology.us/presentation48.html


Perhaps it wasn't the data that was wrong, but the evolutionist assumptions.*

Color me skeptical. The Paleochronology Group is headed up by one Hugh Miller. Who is he? Click here to find out:

https://youtu.be/QbvMB57evy4?t=6m9s

Looks like the American Geophysical Union was right to reject Miller's "findings."
 

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Color me skeptical. The Group is headed up by one Hugh Miller. Who is he? Click here to find out: Looks like the American Geophysical Union was right to reject Miller's "findings."

Typical evolutionist; cares about who someone is rather than what they say. Darwinists will do anything to keep the discussion away from the evidence. And they hate conceding anything.

Speaking of which, are you willing to correct JD's mistake yet?
 

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Wait, this frootloop had fossils covered in lacquer, carbon dated and was then astonished when he got a recent date for it?

After being warned twice by real scientists about the problem?

This moves over from being stupid to being intentionally deceptive. Not that it will cause some of our resident creationists to reject it. They apparently agree with Martin Luther that lying is approved by God, so long as it's for a good cause.
 

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Typical evolutionist; cares about who someone is rather than what they say.

OK, let's discuss what he said. He said that tests run on dinosaur fossils show "Carbon-14 dates in the range of 22,000 to 39,000 years before present." So according to him, the dino fossil is at least 22,000 years old. Let's assume the low end of that estimate is accurate. Question: How does a 22,000 year old dinosaur fossil prove that the earth is 6,000 years old?
 

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OK, let's discuss what he said. He said that tests run on dinosaur fossils show "Carbon-14 dates in the range of 22,000 to 39,000 years before present." So according to him, the dino fossil is at least 22,000 years old. Let's assume the low end of that estimate is accurate. Question: How does a 22,000 year old dinosaur fossil prove that the earth is 6,000 years old?

Back to this nonsense again?

How about you tell JD his analogy is off. :up:
 

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(Barbarian notes that there are still no Cambrian rabbits)

Yes...its obvious that rabbits don't live in water.*

Plenty of land during the Cambrian. And those deposits are known. Just no rabbits, or any other land animals. Bad luck, um?

However there are 'rabbits' found in the Cambrian that are*baffling to evolutionists.

I see that in the supermarket checkout aisle. The tabloids are always saying "scientists are baffled."

One such example is that sophisticated eye designs are found out of sequence according to standard evolutionary thinking and dating.

Sounds unlikely. The fact that you can't provide a link suggests that you've realized this.
We have long known that trilobites had one of the most sophisticated and complex eye designs of any creature;

Except, of course, that it couldn't focus an image. Primitive compound eyes are very good for detecting motion, but they can't form an accurate image and they are very short range. This is why the few arthropods that depend on resolving a good image, like jumping spiders, have adjustable single-lens eyes. I used to have one living on a plant in the porch, I'd occasionally bring it an insect. Whenever I approached, it became quite active, apparently because it had associated me with the arrival of food. It could see me a good distance off. No Cambrian creature had eyes that effective.

but something even more amazing. Giant shrimp about 3' long (1 meter) are dated at 515 myo by evolutionists. (Anomalocarus).

They aren't shrimp. The name (Anomalocaris: "strange shrimp") was given to the jointed appendages of the creature before an entire fossil was found. The appendages look somewhat like the abdomen of shrimp. It too had primitive compound eyes, although as a predator, it could surely have done better with more evolved eyes.

The latest find shows sophisticated vision had evolved very rapidly. It came with a bang, in a geological blink of an eye*
Nature#480 p237-240*


It seems to have evolved very rapidly after exoskeletons had made predation more practical. However, earlier, and simpler eyes are known in the arthropod lineage.

Complexity and diversity of eyes in Early Cambrian ecosystems
Here we report exceptionally preserved non-biomineralized compound eyes of a non-trilobite arthropod Cindarella eucalla from the lower Cambrian Chengjiang Lagerstätte, China. The specimen represents the oldest microanatomical evidence confirming the occurrence of highly developed vision in the early Cambrian, over 2,000 ommatidia in each eye. Moreover, a quantitative analysis of the distribution of eyes related to life habit, feeding types, and phyla respectively, from the Chengjiang biota indicates that specimens with eyes mostly belong to the arthropods, and they usually were actively mobile epifaunal and nektonic forms as hunters or scavengers. Arthropods took the lead in evolution of ‘good vision’ and domination in Cambrian communities, which supports the hypothesis that the origin and evolution of ‘good vision’ was a key trait that promoted preferential diversification and formed the foundation of modern benthic ecosystems in the early Cambrian ocean.
Scientific Reports 3, Article number: 2751 (2013)
doi:10.1038/srep02751


Notice what he is really saying.....*THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THE EYE EVOLVED.

No. In fact he says they evolved. And while the evidence is abundant that they evolved rapidly, he says nothing about the evidence in your edited portion.

This is why you have a reputation for dishonesty here.

Evolutionists often refuse the explanation that best fits the evidence... intelligent design indicates an Intelligent Designer.

As you learned, the existence of suboptimal structures shows a lack of design. Your "space alien designer" is a myth, constructed by those who are scared of an omnipotent Creator like God.

Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences#90 wrote:*
...arthropod eye evolution has remained controversial, because one of*two seemingly unlikely*evolutionary histories must be true. " (haha) " Either compound eyes with detailed similarities evolved multiple times in different arthropod groups....or, compound eyes have been been lost in a Seemingly inordinate number of arthropod lineages

Since we now have numerous examples of organisms formerly having eyes, and losing them, the latter is the best supported argument. There are a good number of examples, in fish, mammals, and so on, showing this. ID proposes some incompetent "designer", perhaps a "space alien", who makes repeated goofs in his work.

Perhaps they should consider more than just the 2 "seeming unlikely " choices.*The evidence (sudden appearance and intelligently designed) fits what Gods Word tells us...*

If so, it's difficult to see why your space alien would design a cave fish with non-functional eyes, when it had no use for them, or why it would put perfectly good eyes in mole rats, but cover them with skin and make them nonfunctional for vision.

The rudimentary eyes of the mole rat (Spalax ehrenbergi) are located under the skin and do not respond to light stimuli.
http://iovs.arvojournals.org/article.aspx?articleid=2160417

God's Word says*"The hearing ear and the seeing eye, the Lord has made them both", but you are unwilling to accept the way He made them. You pro

Another precambrian 'rabbit'. Unfossilized exquisitely preserved wood has been found in a diamond quarry dated at 53 million years old. Interesting is that this is a warm climate wood, found in a cold climate with limited tree growth.

And we all know why there's no checkable source for this story. Did you think we wouldn't notice?
 

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No matter where you look on TOL, these evolution-related threads are always full of downright hilarious answers and dodgy, deceitful behavior on the part of YECs pretending to be educated in matters that it's clear they've never had a clue about, or ever really wanted to find out the truth about. They just keep spouting nonsense that's been repeatedly refuted within the last week and then plug their ears and say "nuh-uh!" every time their incompetence is found out and made obvious for the world to see. I LOVE it
 

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No matter where you look on TOL, these evolution-related threads are always full of downright hilarious answers and dodgy, deceitful behavior on the part of YECs pretending to be educated in matters that it's clear they've never had a clue about, or ever really wanted to find out the truth about. They just keep spouting nonsense that's been repeatedly refuted within the last week and then plug their ears and say "nuh-uh!" every time their incompetence is found out and made obvious for the world to see. I LOVE it

There's a testable claim. Name a question that has not been answered. :up:

Evolutionists will do anything to avoid a subject that embarrasses them, the JD analogy being a prime example.
 

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....on the part of YECs pretending to be educated in matters that it's clear they've never had a clue about.....
And we keep thinking that of you.
You keep repeating evolutionist arguments that science has proven wrong. (as with your current 'dawkins' type arguments on the eye in other threads). Why are you so insistent that God is a lousy designer? If you understood the science, you would know you are using goofy 15 year old arguments that have been proven false.
 

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Okay: How does a 22,000 year old dinosaur fossil prove that the earth is 6,000 years old?
It doesn't.
But it is evidence that there is something very wrong with the evolutionists assumptions of 70,000,000 years.
Also.... as has been posted here before, that is in the range expected in the creation / flood model with seismic activity around the globe and all vegetation destroyed. If you wish I can find and link you to previous comments
 

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Okay: How does a 22,000 year old dinosaur fossil prove that the earth is 6,000 years old?

And now that this question has been answered — again — you're not going to keep repeating it, are you?

Are you ready to correct Jonahdog?
 

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How does a 22,000 year old dinosaur fossil prove that the earth is 6,000 years old?

It doesn't.
But it is evidence that there is something very wrong with the evolutionists assumptions of 70,000,000 years.

Wouldn't a 22,000 year old fossil also be evidence that there is something very wrong with the YEC assumption of a 6,000 year old earth? After all, the earth must be substantially older than a fossil.
 

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Wouldn't a 22,000 year old fossil also be evidence that there is something very wrong with the YEC assumption of a 6,000 year old earth? After all, the earth must be substantially older than a fossil.

Nope....
We know that coal burning and atomic testing effects the ratio of C12 to C14. Also unknown conditions in the past such as solar rays and the strength of the earths magnetic field may effect the ratio. Also, we don't know what the initial ratio was when God created. A factor that would drastically effect the ratio is the global flood...Several things would change the ratios such as volcanic activity around the globe emitting C02 without the normal C14. Christian geologists say that C14 dates of 20,000 plus are consistent with our young earth given the unknowns, and given how the flood would have changed ratios.

You quibbling over a few thousand years when your problem is many millions of years makes me think of Matt. 7:3

The science is consistent with God's Word
 

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unknown conditions in the past such as solar rays and the strength of the earths magnetic field may effect the ratio. Also, we don't know what the initial ratio was when God created....Christian geologists say that C14 dates of 20,000 plus are consistent with our young earth given the unknowns

It sounds to me like you are basing your creation science on a lot of "unknowns".

We have ice core records of atmospheric CO2 going back 800,000 years:

Over the last 800,000 years atmospheric CO2 levels as indicated by the ice-core data have fluctuated between 170 and 300 parts per million by volume (ppmv), corresponding with conditions of glacial and interglacial periods. The Vostok core indicates very similar trends. Prior to about 450,000 years before present time (BP) atmospheric CO2 levels were always at or below 260 ppmv and reached lowest values, approaching 170 ppmv, between 660,000 and 670,000 years ago. The highest pre-industrial value recorded in 800,000 years of ice-core record was 298.6 ppmv, in the Vostok core, around 330,000 years ago. Atmospheric CO2 levels have increased markedly in industrial times; measurements in year 2010 at Cape Grim Tasmania and the South Pole both indicated values of 386 ppmv, and are currently increasing at about 2 ppmv/year.​

http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/co2/ice_core_co2.html
 

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It sounds to me like you are basing your creation science on a lot of "unknowns".

We have ice core records of atmospheric CO2 going back 800,000 years:
No...I am basing my beliefs on God's Word.
There are answers to ice core records, but that is moving the goalposts from soft dino tissue.
 

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Some of our resident creationists, when they run into a problem, just suppose another nonscriptural miracle, and poof! the problem goes away.

Easy.
 
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