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Believe what?
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This is the gospel to be believed:
This is the gospel by which we are saved.
1 Corinthians 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
We are all sinners who can not save ourselves.
See Romans 3:23 Titus 3:5 Romans 5:6
Christ died for our sins; He was our substitute, He paid the full penalty and debt for our sin by his blood sacrifice.
See 2 Corinthians 5:21 Romans 3:24 Romans 3:25 Romans 3:26
He was buried.
He rose again for our justification ( to declare us righteous) and forgiveness of all our sin. He gives us His righteousness and eternal life.
See Romans 4:25 Ephesians 1:7 Romans 4:22 Romans 4:23 Romans 4:24 1 Corinthians 1:30
All we have to do is believe the gospel.
See Romans 4:5 1 Corinthians 1:21 Ephesians 1:13
Believing is being persuaded that something is true.
See Romans 4:21
The moment you believe you have eternal life.
Titus 1:1 Titus 1:2 Titus 3:7
Trust the gospel of your salvation. Believe in Jesus Christ to have provided payment for your sins and to give you eternal life. Place your faith in Jesus Christ, in his blood, his death and his resurrection.
And yet, you fail to provide the verses that say exactly that...
In Christ, and that we cannot save ourselves, as I have been taught, beginning with comments I have seen on this site.
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What does "believe in Christ" mean?
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The covenant and testament are the same thing.
Jesus made a covenant with his blood and body.
When anyone wants to get saved, they must go through the blood and body.
That is the body of Christ.
That is entering the covenant, and it is the new testament.
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No, they are not. You must consider CONTEXT, which you never do.
The new covenant is between God and Israel... just like the old one.
The scripture is CLEAR and UNAMBIGUOUS about that .... but you don't care.
Yes, no covenant.
Who was the first member of the body of Christ?
Nope.
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Anyone who wants to be saved must come to the blood and body and that is the new covenant which is about the new testament.
If a person doesn't come to the cross where the blood and body are, then they are not saved.
When Jesus sent the promised Spirit. That is how one gets in Christ and Christ in them.
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The old covenent even included the mixed multitude that came with them...I provided you over 20 texts about ONE LAW for native and foreigner alike...as in the Sabbath commandment
because ALL who believed and obeyed were saved from Egypt and headed to the promised land...neat eh?
Already in the church in the wilderness there were non-blood related promised a place...faith + obedience = saved
As His House is for ALLLL nations...
Peter affirms that the believing goyim received the Spirit because It saw NO DISTINCTION between them and Jews...Paul affirms believing goyim are no longer foreigners but citizens of Israel...grafted into...as He removed the wall that separates Jew and believing goyim...oh and obedient ones obedient to Him His way His faith...
I mean being let into a generous host’s house we don’t claim his rules don’t apply to us do we? Or seek to change them?
Especially if He says they are for everyone and Eternal...
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They are identical.
Jesus had to teach the New Testament and then die for the new covenant to go into effect.
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While on earth, Jesus was a minister of the circumcision. He taught the law and the covenants and the prophets.
He did NOT preach the gospel of the grace of God that He gave LATER to Paul.
If Jesus was preaching grace during His earthly ministry ... He would have said so.
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It is a testament, like a last will and testament for a man when he dies.
That testament is also a covenant because that man is God.
A minister of the circumcision is about being a minister to those circumcised and belonged to God by faith. Many circumcised Jews were cut off and could not be saved at that time because God did not accept them according to the New Testament/Covenant.
Jesus fulfilled the law and the prophets.
That means that everything the prophets taught, and even the prophets names, were all about Jesus.
Jesus came and taught a new testament/covenant.
Jesus did not preach the old law, old covenant.
It is laughable to think Jesus did when he taught to have faith in him;
and to have forgiveness of sins through him---which means NOT through the purification works as given by the old covenant.
It is laughable because you don't know that Jesus worked on a Sabbath, which was against the old law.
It is laughable because you think Jesus taught the old law when Jesus said no eye for eye and tooth for tooth.
It is laughable because Jesus said only one marriage.
Jesus changed food making one unclean.
It is laughable because he changed being put to death for working on the Sabbath and committing adultery.
It is laughable that you say that grossly wrong thing about Jesus who CAME WITH GRACE.
You don't know what grace is then. Just Jesus coming is grace!
It is silly that you think Jesus came and taught the old law and was killed for teaching the old law?
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Indeed and it's NOT identical to the new covenant.
Made up.
Read the scripture for what it actually says instead of forcing your bogus story onto it.
Classic churchianity.
Jesus is God ... Amen.... He's not His own father as you falsely and foolishly claim.
Even after His resurrection, Jesus told the eleven (soon to be restored to twelve) that they should teach the law.
One of the ALL THINGS that He had commanded them was to KEEP THE LAW.
Believe the WORD and ditch your fairy tale.
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The new covenant is the new testament is the new covenant.
Why don't you?
Good.
That is derailment from one thing you have wrong to another you have wrong and can't understand either one.
Show where Jesus said that; and make sure that is exactly what Jesus said; not what your mind wants it to say.
Jesus taught the NEW LAW.
So you want to keep saying Jesus taught the old law? Then Jesus according to you was lying when he said no eye for eye?
Why don't you?
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Constant repetition does not make a false statement become true.
Are you still in the 6th grade?
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Churchianity is full of myths... like your silly fairy tale.
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I DID.... you DON'T READ WHAT OTHERS WRITE.
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One of the ALL THINGS that He had commanded them was to KEEP THE LAW.
If you don't know what Jesus meant by "sit in Moses' seat", you need to learn.
My four year old grandson makes more sense than you.
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Mat 23:1-3 KJV Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, (2) Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: (3) All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
I've explained this scripture to you MANY times.
Jesus told them since the temple is still standing to not break the temple laws because the Pharisees and teachers of the law would have them killed.
Jesus taught the new law.
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Jesus told them to keep the law. It's wasn't about "danger". What foolishness!!!
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Jesus taught the NEW LAW and warned the disciples to do what the Pharisees and teachers of the law said to do because they sat in Moses' seat.