No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !

Clete

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The Sheep are the only ones Jesus calls, His Israel, the Church, they are the Only ones He died for as well. What many didn't know, because it was a Mystery, is that both jews and gentiles were of Israel, Spiritual Israel that is.
Is there ANY scripture that you do not twist to conform to your doctrine?

How is it even possible for a someone to fail to detect it when they are so completely upside down and backward?

Bringing a belief to the word of God and making His word somehow agree with whatever it is you've brought with you is not how doctrine is supposed to work! It's supposed to be the other way around! God's word is suppose to teach you what to believe, not color the beliefs which you bring to it.
 

beloved57

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No one can come to Jesus unless capacitated by the Father; that is, no one has the ability to receive Jesus unless the Father gives it to him.

John 6:44,65

44 No man can come to me,
except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

This defeats the false notion of man having a freewill to receive Jesus Christ as in Jn 1:12

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
 

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No one can come to Jesus unless capacitated by the Father; that is, no one has the ability to receive Jesus unless the Father gives it to him.

John 6:44,65

44 No man can come to me,
except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

This defeats the false notion of man having a freewill to receive Jesus Christ as in Jn 1:12

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Romans 10:9-13​

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9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+10&version=KJV
 

beloved57

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Jesus said some will not come to Him Jn 5:40

40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

The reason for that is simple, they have not been given to Christ by the Father in Divine Election, because Jesus went on to say Jn 6:37

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

Some out of mankind has been given to Christ, pertaining to election, Jn 17:2

2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

These will come to Him that they may have life in contrast to them in Jn 5:40 who will not come !
 

beloved57

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Men by nature cant comprehend the Light, Its written Jn 1:5

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

Man by nature is the darkness Eph 5:8

For ye were sometimes darkness
, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:

The word comprehend in Jn 1:5 means :

  1. to lay hold of with the mind
    1. to understand, perceive, learn, comprehend
 

beloved57

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First, man cannot come to Him for life. He stated, “No man can come to Me, except the Father which hath sent Me draw him” (6:44). Again he says, “Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto Me, except it were given unto Him of My Father” (6:65). The ability to come to Christ for eternal life has two aspects: (1) an inner compelling or “drawing” by the Father to the Son, and (2) the gift or “grant” of the Father of the ability to come to Christ. He taught also that those who come to Him have been given to Him by the Father (6:37) RBS
 

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First, man cannot come to Him for life. He stated, “No man can come to Me, except the Father which hath sent Me draw him” (6:44). Again he says, “Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto Me, except it were given unto Him of My Father” (6:65). The ability to come to Christ for eternal life has two aspects: (1) an inner compelling or “drawing” by the Father to the Son, and (2) the gift or “grant” of the Father of the ability to come to Christ. He taught also that those who come to Him have been given to Him by the Father (6:37) RBS
First, man cannot come to Him for life. He stated, “No man can come to Me, except the Father which hath sent Me draw him” (6:44). Again he says, “Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto Me, except it were given unto Him of My Father” (6:65). The ability to come to Christ for eternal life has two aspects: (1) an inner compelling or “drawing” by the Father to the Son, and (2) the gift or “grant” of the Father of the ability to come to Christ. He taught also that those who come to Him have been given to Him by the Father (6:37) RBS

John 3:16

King James Version

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
 

DAN P

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First, man cannot come to Him for life. He stated, “No man can come to Me, except the Father which hath sent Me draw him” (6:44). Again he says, “Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto Me, except it were given unto Him of My Father” (6:65). The ability to come to Christ for eternal life has two aspects: (1) an inner compelling or “drawing” by the Father to the Son, and (2) the gift or “grant” of the Father of the ability to come to Christ. He taught also that those who come to Him have been given to Him by the Father (6:37) RBS

AND in John 6:44 , here is what I see it MEANS .

The Greek word FATHER / PATER , is in the NOMINATIVE CASE and is the main SUBJECT .

It is the FATHER that draws these Jews NOT CHRIST .

The FATHER is the one who DRAWS/ HELKO and is in the AORIST TENSE , ACTIVE VOICE , and in the SUBJECTIVE MOOD and that means the the will DRAW or NOT DRAW and all DRAWING is controlled by the SUBJECTIVE MOOD .

What many fail to see is the CONTEXT , of I will RAISE / AUTOS which is a PERSONAL , POSSESSIVE PRONOUN which is the FATHERS POSSESSION , him him up at the LAST DAY , which is in the Greek FUTURE TENSE .

So what does the LAST DAY MEAN , it means the LAST DAYS of Israel .

dan p
 

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When a person is being drawn by God or Christ its the equivalent of giving them both repentance and faith to believe on Him.

When a person is being drawn by God, is it a guarantee that that person will repent and have faith?
 

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Yes, the person is born again and given Faith and Repentance.

Wrong.

Speaking of Israel:

“I was sought by those who did not ask for Me; I was found by those who did not seek Me. I said, ‘Here I am, here I am,’ To a nation that was not called by My name.I have stretched out My hands all day long to a rebellious people, Who walk in a way that is not good, According to their own thoughts;A people who provoke Me to anger continually to My face; Who sacrifice in gardens, And burn incense on altars of brick;Who sit among the graves, And spend the night in the tombs; Who eat swine’s flesh, And the broth of abominable things is in their vessels;Who say, ‘Keep to yourself, Do not come near me, For I am holier than you!’ These are smoke in My nostrils, A fire that burns all the day. - Isaiah 65:1-5 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah65:1-5&version=NKJV

But to Israel he says: “All day long I have stretched out My hands To a disobedient and contrary people.” - Romans 10:21 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans10:21&version=NKJV

An outstretched hand is a way of drawing someone.
 
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