ECT Moment of Salvation Compared to Water Baptism

[Right Divider]

You have to fear God, be humble, put being saved before everything and everyone, even before your own life, admit you are a sinner, confess and repent of your sins, have a forgiving heart, do what you can to obey, have all intentions on obeying Jesus, know that you will never give up, call on Jesus to help you.

No. You have to actually obey. You have a gospel of a defeatist. There is no such thing as you don't really have to obey God.

Make up your confused mind!

 

[God's Truth]

Make up your confused mind!

No, it is not confusion.

You can't repent for your past sins and present sins? You can repent for smoking cigarettes but once you are saved you can't stop easily so you now have Jesus' help.

If you repent for being a fornicator, is it really that hard to get married and stop fornicating?

You act completely clueless. Have you EVER gave up any sin for Jesus?

 

[God's Truth]

So perfect obedience is not required? Just do what you can and have all intentions of being good?

God's grace saves completely and is the only hope.

Jesus saves you when he accepts you. It might be after you stop fornicating, but before you stop smoking.

You can repent of stealing and never do it again. Don't you have any idea what I am talking about? I think you have no idea because you never gave up any sins. You keep living your life as always.

 

[Cross Reference]

GT wrote:

Jesus saves you when he accepts you. It might be after you stop fornicating, but before you stop smoking.

You can repent of stealing and never do it again. Don't you have any idea what I am talking about? I think you have no idea because you never gave up any sins. You keep living your life as always.

So what you are really saying is good works saves us?

 

[Right Divider]

No, it is not confusion.

You can't repent for your past sins and present sins? You can repent for smoking cigarettes but once you are saved you can't stop easily so you now have Jesus' help.

If you repent for being a fornicator, is it really that hard to get married and stop fornicating?

You act completely clueless. Have you EVER gave up any sin for Jesus?

I always enjoy it when the clueless one accuses me of sin and unrepentance.

You can't make up your mind what it means to "obey" and accuse others of not doing it right while you do.

"do what you can to obey, have all intentions on obeying Jesus"

Is this all that we need to do to get saved? Do what you can and have "all" intentions?

 

[Right Divider]

Jesus saves you when he accepts you. It might be after you stop fornicating, but before you stop smoking.

So there's really now way of knowing? Just believe in GT and all is well?

You can repent of stealing and never do it again. Don't you have any idea what I am talking about? I think you have no idea because you never gave up any sins. You keep living your life as always.

Satan must be your daddy, false ACCUSER.

 

[God's Truth]

GT wrote:

So what you are really saying is good works saves us?

Believing and obeying Jesus saves.

Jesus is the Way.

He tells us what to do to get saved.

Why in the world would you deny that or not see it?

 

[God's Truth]

I always enjoy it when the clueless one accuses me of sin and unrepentance.

You can't make up your mind what it means to "obey" and accuse others of not doing it right while you do.

"do what you can to obey, have all intentions on obeying Jesus"

Is this all that we need to do to get saved? Do what you can and have "all" intentions?

You are the one going against me for preaching the gospel.

 

[God's Truth]

So there's really now way of knowing? Just believe in GT and all is well?


Satan must be your daddy, false ACCUSER.

If you have given up sins for Jesus, why not say we are supposed to, why go against it?

 

[Cross Reference]

Believing and obeying Jesus saves.

Jesus is the Way.

He tells us what to do to get saved.

Why in the world would you deny that or not see it?

But, one must be "Born Again" BEFORE he/she understands His commandments and how they will only be obeyed by the one who "loves him with all their heart, soul, mind, and strength". The pwoer to overcome lies within our Love TO Him; our active life that demonstrates such a love that saves. No compromise here. Get it now?

 

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You are the one going against me for preaching the gospel.

Nope... I go against you when you preach nonsense.

You go against me for preaching the gospel of the grace of God.

 

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If you have given up sins for Jesus, why not say we are supposed to, why go against it?

Because that's not how a person gets saved by grace through faith, that's why.

 

[turbosixx]

Irrespective of it being one mans aproach to understanding, it is nevertheless, the understanding of how the Gospel of Jesus Christ explains the way to salvation

Why not use Christ's explanation to salvation? Isn't there at least one verse that tells us how we are added or into Christ?

the operative phraseology

Why not use the "phraseology" of scripture?

 

[God's Truth]

Because that's not how a person gets saved by grace through faith, that's why.

Jesus saves people all on his own, and he chooses those who obey.

 

[God's Truth]

Nope... I go against you when you preach nonsense.

You go against me for preaching the gospel of the grace of God.

God did not wipe out all His words telling us to obey.

 

[God's Truth]

But, one must be "Born Again" BEFORE he/she understands His commandments

God saves those who obey; it is to them that He gives His Spirit and makes His home. See John 14:23.

Being born again happens after someone repents of their sins; Jesus then washes them clean and lives inside their heart; that is when they are born again. They have a new life without sins.

We do not have to have understanding to obey; if we obey, THEN we get understanding.

We have to obey to get saved, and to stay saved.

Loving God with all your heart, mind, strength, body, and soul is when you obey Him.

and how they will only be obeyed by the one who "loves him with all their heart, soul, mind, and strength".

Obeying God is how we love Him.

1 John 5:3 Love for God means obedience to His commands;

The pwoer to overcome lies within our Love TO Him; our active life that demonstrates such a love that saves. No compromise here. Get it now?

Where did you get that I didn't get something?

 

[God's Truth]

Nope... I go against you when you preach nonsense.

You go against me for preaching the gospel of the grace of God.

God's grace is that we only have to have faith that Jesus' blood cleans us of the sins we repent of.
It is that we don't have to sacrifice animals and go to a temple to be near His Spirit, because he is the Sacrificial Lamb of God and we become the temple.

 

[Cross Reference]

God saves those who obey; it is to them that He gives His Spirit and makes His home. See John 14:23.

Being born again happens after someone repents of their sins; Jesus then washes them clean and lives inside their heart; that is when they are born again. They have a new life without sins.

We do not have to have understanding to obey; if we obey, THEN we get understanding.

We have to obey to get saved, and to stay saved.

Loving God with all your heart, mind, strength, body, and soul is when you obey Him.



Obeying God is how we love Him.

1 John 5:3 Love for God means obedience to His commands;



Where did you get that I didn't get something?

I read what you write. That is how. You never speak of your love To God. There is no grace, no love in your manners, just works.

 

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Jesus saves people all on his own, and he chooses those who obey.

Jesus saves those that trust Him.

 

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God did not wipe out all His words telling us to obey.

We should obey, but you cannot get saved BY your obedience.

Rom 5:19 (AKJV/PCE)​

(5:19) For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. ​

Trust the ONE!!!