Matthew 12:40

[steko]

Did you know the 15th is an annual Sabbath?

In post#157, I pointed out that the 15th is a Holy Convocation.
No work was to be done except that which was necessary to provide for the Chagigah/free will offering.

Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away. (John 19:31)​

The 15th is an annual Sabbath referred to by John as a high day. The Greek word for high is megas meaning great.

The word 'preparation' in John 19:31 is 'paraskeue'. It is the preparation necessary for the weekly seventh day Sabbath.
That weekly Sabbath was a 'high day'(yes, megas) because whenever one of GOD's appointed times coincided with a seventh day weekly Sabbath, that Sabbath was considered doubly Holy.
The LORD Jesus had to be buried before sundown which was the beginning of the seventh day Sabbath and the 'counting of the Omer'.

You're still ignoring the narratives of Matthew, Mark and Luke which give a very clear timeline.

Jesus and His disciples kept the Passover.

 

[jamie]

You're still ignoring the narratives of Matthew, Mark and Luke which give a very clear timeline.

Actually, I'm not ignoring anything, but you are claiming Jesus was crucified on a Sabbath and that he was buried before the Sabbath began.

Your assertion is not scriptural and doesn't make sense, at least not to me.

 

[steko]

Actually, I'm not ignoring anything, but you are claiming Jesus was crucified on a Sabbath and that he was buried before the Sabbath began.

Your assertion is not scriptural and doesn't make sense, at least not to me.

Scripture:

Mar 14:12 And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?
Mar 14:17 And in the evening he cometh with the twelve.
Mar 14:18 And as they sat and did eat,

Were the lambs killed on the 14th, or not?
Were they to eat the Passover on the 15th, or not?

 

[jamie]

Were the lambs killed on the 14th, or not?

The Passover lambs were killed on the 14th and Jesus as the Lamb of God died on the 14th. As he was laid in the tomb the 15th began.

After the Sabbath on the 15th the women bought and prepared spices and fragrant oils to anoint his body. Since they did not have access to the body they rested on the weekly Sabbath and went to the tomb early Sunday morning.

 

[steko]

The Passover lambs were killed on the 14th and Jesus as the Lamb of God died on the 14th. As he was laid in the tomb the 15th began.

After the Sabbath on the 15th the women bought and prepared spices and fragrant oils to anoint his body. Since they did not have access to the body they rested on the weekly Sabbath and went to the tomb early Sunday morning.

So, you disagree with Mark's testimony.

Okay, here's Luke's:

Luk 22:7 Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed.[14th]
Luk 22:8 And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat.

Luk 22:11 And ye shall say unto the goodman of the house, The Master saith unto thee, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples?
Luk 22:12 And he shall shew you a large upper room furnished: there make ready.
Luk 22:13 And they went, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover.
Luk 22:14 And when the hour was come[15th], he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him.
Luk 22:15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:

According to Luke, the LORD Jesus ate the passover on the 15th with His disciples('before He suffered') and if you'll read further, He was crucified the next morning, still the 15th.

Throw away your preconceptions and look at it!
There it is!

 

[jamie]

According to Luke, the LORD Jesus ate the passover on the 15th with His disciples('before He suffered') and if you'll read further, He was crucified the next morning, still the 15th.

Ok, let me see if I understand your premise. You are evidently claiming that the 14th was on a Friday, right? The Passover was killed on Friday afternoon and eaten after sundown on the weekly Sabbath. And then on Saturday morning Jesus was crucified and buried Saturday evening before sundown which began Sunday. Am I understanding you correctly?

 

[steko]

Ok, let me see if I understand your premise. You are evidently claiming that the 14th was on a Friday, right? The Passover was killed on Friday afternoon and eaten after sundown on the weekly Sabbath. And then on Saturday morning Jesus was crucified and buried Saturday evening before sundown which began Sunday. Am I understanding you correctly?

Nope. The 14th was on Thursday.

The disciples prepared the Passover on Thursday the 14th and the LORD and His disciples ate the Passover together after sundown which began the 15th, Friday. The next morning, Jesus was crucified, still the 15th, and He was taken down from the cross before sundown of the 15th and laid in the tomb. Then the weekly Sabbath began at sundown, which was the beginning of the 16th.

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

Nope. The 14th was on Thursday.

The disciples prepared the Passover on Thursday the 14th and the LORD and His disciples ate the Passover together after sundown which began the 15th, Friday. The next morning, Jesus was crucified, still the 15th, and He was taken down from the cross before sundown of the 15th and laid in the tomb. Then the weekly Sabbath began at sundown, which was the beginning of the 16th.

Agreed.
And there was still plenty of light for the women to see Jesus laid in the nearby tomb, and buy spices on the way home.:salute:

 

[jamie]

Agreed.
And there was still plenty of light for the women to see Jesus laid in the nearby tomb, and buy spices on the way home.:salute:

Is that what they did?

Now when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, that they might come and anoint Him. (Mark 16:1)​

When did the women buy their spices, before the Sabbath or after the Sabbath?

You say before the Sabbath, Mark says after the Sabbath.

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

Is that what they did?

Now when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, that they might come and anoint Him. (Mark 16:1)​

When did the women buy their spices, before the Sabbath or after the Sabbath?

You say before the Sabbath, Mark says after the Sabbath.

That's not what it says.

Try this uncut version.
They already had em.

Mark 16:1 KJV
And when the sabbath was past , Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

 

[jamie]

Nope. The 14th was on Thursday.

The disciples prepared the Passover on Thursday the 14th and the LORD and His disciples ate the Passover together after sundown which began the 15th, Friday. The next morning, Jesus was crucified, still the 15th, and He was taken down from the cross before sundown of the 15th and laid in the tomb. Then the weekly Sabbath began at sundown, which was the beginning of the 16th.

Ok, so you are saying Jesus died on Friday the 15th, which was a Sabbath.

On the next day, which followed the Day of Preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees gathered together to Pilate saying, “Sir, we remember, while He was still alive, how that deceiver said, ‘After three days I will rise.’ Therefore command that the tomb be made secure until the third day, lest His disciples come by night and steal Him away and say to the people, ‘He has risen from the dead.’ So the last deception will be worse than the first.”

Pilate said to them, “You have a guard, go your way, make it as secure as you know how.”

So they went and made the tomb secure, sealing the stone and setting the guard. (Matthew 27:62-66)​

So you are saying that the chief priests and Pharisees went to Pilate on Saturday morning and requested that the tomb be sealed and a guard posted for three days, which would be Saturday, Sunday, and Monday.

However, on Sunday the two men commented that it was the third day.

But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel. Indeed, besides all this, today is the third day since these things happened. (Luke 24:21)​

Are you are claiming that the third day from Sunday is Saturday? If so how are you counting the days?

We know the women bought spices and fragrant oils after the Sabbath was past.

Now when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, that they might come and anoint Him. (Mark 16:1)

Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.
(Luke 23:56)​

So they bought their spices and fragrant oils after the Sabbath was past, they prepared the spices and oils and then rested on the weekly Sabbath.

This would not be possible with two Sabbaths back to back.

 

[jamie]

That's not what it says.

Try this uncut version.
They already had em.

Mark 16:1 KJV
And when the sabbath was past , Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

What day did they prepare the spices and oils?

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

Ok, so you are saying Jesus died on Friday the 15th, which was a Sabbath.

On the next day, which followed the Day of Preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees gathered together to Pilate saying, “Sir, we remember, while He was still alive, how that deceiver said, ‘After three days I will rise.’ Therefore command that the tomb be made secure until the third day, lest His disciples come by night and steal Him away and say to the people, ‘He has risen from the dead.’ So the last deception will be worse than the first.”

Pilate said to them, “You have a guard, go your way, make it as secure as you know how.”

So they went and made the tomb secure, sealing the stone and setting the guard. (Matthew 27:62-66)​

So you are saying that the chief priests and Pharisees went to Pilate on Saturday morning and requested that the tomb be sealed and a guard posted for three days, which would be Saturday, Sunday, and Monday.

However, on Sunday the two men commented that it was the third day.

But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel. Indeed, besides all this, today is the third day since these things happened. (Luke 24:21)​

Are you are claiming that the third day from Sunday is Saturday? If so how are you counting the days?

We know the women bought spices and fragrant oils after the Sabbath was past.

Now when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, that they might come and anoint Him. (Mark 16:1)

Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment. (Luke 23:56)​

So they bought their spices and fragrant oils after the Sabbath was past, they prepared the spices and oild and then rested on the weekly Sabbath.

This would not be possible with two Sabbaths back to back.

The passover they are allowed to work, Israel loaded up and headed out of Egypt, come on get with the program.
The only time they had to buy the spices and prepare them was before sundown on passover.
The gospels all harmonize always.

If you look Mary was not with the other two as they came at the rising sun, she had already been there and gone.
This shows you that you cant hack out the word had and just leave bought in Marks version, if you do that you would also have to leave out Mary.
The women only could of legally bought and prepared the spices Friday afternoon.



John 20:1 KJV
The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

 

[jamie]

The passover they are allowed to work, Israel loaded up and headed out of Egypt, come on get with the program.

Are you claiming the 15th was on Friday?

And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the LORD; seven days you must eat unleavened bread.

On the first day you shall have a holy convocation, you shall do no customary work on it. (Leviticus 23:6-7)​

You say they could work on the 15th, the law says they could not.

If you are claiming Jesus was crucified on Friday then that Friday was a Sabbath and the women could not purchase their products until after the back to back Sabbaths, which would be Sunday.

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

Are you claiming the 15th was on Friday?

And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the LORD; seven days you must eat unleavened bread.

On the first day you shall have a holy convocation, you shall do no customary work on it. (Leviticus 23:6-7)​

You say they could work on the 15th, the law says they could not.

If you are claiming Jesus was crucified on Friday then that Friday was a Sabbath and the women could not purchase their products until after the back to back Sabbaths, which would be Sunday.

Pay attention here, passover is the last day of unleavened bread.
The first day is 6 days prior and is A Holy convocation.

ACTS 12
1 Now about that time Herod the king stretched forth his hands to vex certain of the church.

2 And he killed James the brother of John with the sword.

3 And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also. (Then were the days of unleavened bread.)

4 And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people

 

[jamie]

Pay attention here, passover is the last day of unleavened bread.
The first day is 6 days prior and is A Holy convocation.

You are totally confused aren't you?

Do you want me to help you? Or do you want stay where you are?

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

You are totally confused aren't you?

Do you want me to help you? Or do you want stay where you are?

I'll play.......

Why is Peter being locked up during the days of unleavened bread, which is before passover?

 

[jamie]

Why is Peter being locked up during the days of unleavened bread, which is before passover?

The Passover lambs and goats were killed on Nisan 14 and eaten that night after sundown, which is the begining of the 15th.

On the fourteenth day of the first month at twilight is the LORD’s Passover.

And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the LORD, seven days you must eat unleavened bread. On the first day you shall have a holy convocation, you shall do no customary work on it. But you shall offer an offering made by fire to the LORD for seven days.

The seventh day shall be a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it. (Leviticus 23:5-8)​

The 15th is a Sabbath and is the first day of Unleavened Bread. The 21st is a Sabbath and is the last day of Unleavened Bread.

Now about that time Herod the king stretched forth his hands to vex certain of the church. And he killed James the brother of John with the sword. And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also. (Then were the days of unleavened bread.)

And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people. (Acts 12:1-4)​

The word "easter" is the Greek pascha which is translated 28 times as Passover and this once as Easter.

Easter is never the same day as Passover. The Passover is observed on the full moon after the vernal equinox. Easter is observed on the first Sunday after the full moon after the vernal equinox unless that Sunday coincides with Passover.

Passover can fall on any day of the week.

 

[rstrats]

1Mind1Spirit,

re: "...passover is the last day of unleavened bread."

And yet Matthew 26:17 (KJV) says: "Now on the first day of the Feast of the Unleavened Bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying to Him, 'Where do You want us to prepare for You to eat the Passover'?"

 

[jamie]

Jesus was laid in the tomb as Thursday began and was resurrected 72 hours later as Sunday began. Nothing else works.

Does anyone know the rationale for the invention of the Friday crucifixion?