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heir
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Please show where Peter preached at Pentecost that "Christ died for our sins" as the good news by which they were saved. I'll wait...
heir
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GM has a testimony of salvation. How about you? What is the gospel of your salvation?
Wrong again. I was afraid you'd break your own record for a second.
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andyc
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Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. "For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call." And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, "Be saved from this perverse generation." Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them.
andyc
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No, Paul was telling the Corinthians about the gospel he preached to them.
There is only one gospel. "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ in order to enter the kingdom of heaven."
Jesus preached it, and all the apostles preached it.
Matthew 24:14 "And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
No. The book of Matthew is talking about the "Kingdom Gospel" that was being preached specifically to the House of Israel.
Andycnotruth is not in correct alignment with what was going on in the first four books of the New Testament and beyond. Andy apparently doesn't know how to "Rightly Divide" the Scriptures, therefore he's in a maze of confusion.
musterion
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And not one non-proselyte Gentile in the crowd. Acts 2:22
musterion
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Well, there you have it.
Peter was speaking to members of the House of Israel. They were to "Repent" for the killing of their Messiah and be water baptized. Peter only preached the "Kingdom Message" to the "House of Israel." Paul didn't come along until later when he was met on the road to Damascus by the "Ascended Lord Jesus Christ." Christ would subsequently give Paul the Grace Message (Gospel) to preach to the Gentiles. The Gentiles did not need to repent of the killing of Christ, because, Christ was only the Messiah to the House of Israel.
It was also not NECESSARY for Gentiles to become water baptized. They were baptized into the Body of Christ by the Holy Spirit. Ephesians 4:5 "One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Peter NEVER preached the Gospel of Grace that is in force today. Only the Apostle Paul preached that particular Gospel back then.
Peter was speaking ONLY to the House of Israel specifically.
Interplanner
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Everything here is wrong:
1, it was grace
2, there was just as much appeal to the nations as to Israel, via those Romans who had helped
3, there's no Kingdom Gospel and it was not offered here. I know what sounds like that but the times of refreshing was the Spirit at work in spreading the Gospel of Messiah. So there is no case for a 2nd program or a 2nd gospel, however, the initial missionaries of the Gospel were logically from Israel, and at least 221 of them were ready to go by the day of Pentecost, by conservative estimate.
4, water or not has nothing to do with anything
5, the concern that Peter has for Israel about working in the mission of God is the same found in Rom 11, which is a prodding or urging of Israel to be missionaries, not a vision about a 2nd program theocracy happening one day
6, the message that God's grace would forgive Israel was given in many languages so that when those people went home to 'every nation under heaven' the same message would get through. If God can forgive that, then there is a lot to pay attention to.
Sorry to have to tell you that D'ism and MAD are just amateur constructions about all these things.
Interplanner
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That's true as far as reporting the account, but not theologically. That's why the Reformation theologians did not make incidents in the gospels or account of Acts out to be final theological doctrine, which was reserved for the Letters.
The Gospel happened in Israel, so this first message was particular that way, but it was never only for Israel. And anyway, the goal was not particular to Israel, it was to assemble even more Jewish missionaries like the 221 that were already to go, by conservative estimation.
"If one died for all, then all were dead." That should give you some idea of the scope of the unique death of Christ. Everyone was dead in the debt of their sins; all can be justified through his death.
Sorry to have to tell you that you're ridiculously wrong. I certainly hope that doesn't offend your sensibilities? If it does, I'm sure you'll apologize to me.
Well, the reformists (Calvinists) were wrong. Again, if you're offended, please feel free to apologize to me immediately.