ECT Mad finds itself in the trash by applying simple logic

[john w]

Christians are not immune from health issues. Its how you deal with them. When being tried to the max, its important to avoid faithless people like you. Ive already had to fight the negativity of doctors, family, and work colleagues for refusing spinal fusion surgery while in hospital for a week. By the stripes of Jesus my spine is healed. Doctor wouldnt initially let me go to work, and work wouldnt let me come in without a certificate. Family has bombarded me with what I should, so your unbelief isn't going to bother me too much.

Spin. Fraud. Misdirection.

During Matthew-John, Pentecost, early Acts....The dead are raised, the blind see, limbs grow, all manner of sickness and disease are healed-and no relapse.

Do it. Have it done to you.

You con artist, like all you Penty scammers.

Watch the deceitful "reply," and more misdirection, deception, slight of hand. Watch....Three Card Monty.....Watch.......We are all on to this shyster's schtick......Watch......

 

[Bright Raven]

He wasnt under the law then, was he?
If it is of grace it cannot be of works, otherwise grace is nolonger grace, yes?

When Jesus forgave peoples sins when they believed, what were they believing in?

Do you believe that those who believe in MAD are saved by grace?

 

[Jerry Shugart]

He wasnt under the law then, was he?
If it is of grace it cannot be of works, otherwise grace is nolonger grace, yes?

Yes, he lived under the law. But as Paul said, those who lived under the law were saved by grace through faith:

"Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all" (Ro.4:16).​

When Jesus forgave peoples sins when they believed, what were they believing in?

They were believing in His identity. He told the Jews this:

"And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins" (Jn.8:23-24).​

The Jews who believed that He is the Christ, the Son of God, were saved the moment they believed that truth (Jn.20:31;1 Jn.5:1-5).

 

[john w]

I wonder what the Galatians thought of Paul when he preached salvation and healing while suffering physically?

You don't have to deal with the OP, W, but if you don't want to, why are you here?

Move along.

Did our hero, address his own "argument?" Nope-more "Oprah," "Well, in my opinion...."


Anyway, are you going to tackle the question in the op?"-devil boy

1. As I predicted...Real slick.

2. Chapter, verse, where I am required to answer any/all questions, especially from the lost, such as yourself.

I thought so, drive by candyandy.

Kidney stone, spinal injury, you spin? Why not claim your miracle today, punk!!! Puh raayyyyyzz Gaaaaaaaaaaaaawd!


You fraud-Back to Pentecost, with all your scam, alleged miracles, raising the dead, and you can't have your minor kidney problem/spine healed by God? Give the Laaaaaawd a shout!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!b

Penty scammer.

 

[john w]

I wonder what the Galatians thought of Paul when he preached salvation and healing while suffering physically?

You don't have to deal with the OP, W, but if you don't want to, why are you here?

Move along.

Matthew 10 KJV

And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.


candyandy: Well, people just don't have enough faith, you see, and, well, "all" is a typo, well, uh, urr, you see............


Right, Professor Judas?

Scammer.

 

[andyc]

Why are you still injured?

Why am I not incapacitated like the surgeon said I would be for refusing fusion surgery?
People like you make me laugh. If I was one of your buddies, you'd be saying "Im praying for you", but what exactly would you be praying for? For me to cope with the pain? That I'll eventually get better doing what the doctor says?

I've faced a difficult trial of faith, and have overcome some difficult battles, but its not good enough for you cause it wasnt instant.
The reason you don't like it is because you dont want the responsibility of having to cling to faith against the odds.

 

[musterion]

Did our hero, address his own "argument?" Nope-more "Oprah," "Well, in my opinion...."


Anyway, are you going to tackle the question in the op?"-devil boy

1. As I predicted...Real slick.

2. Chapter, verse, where I am required to answer any/all questions, especially from the lost, such as yourself.

I thought so, drive by candyandy.

Kidney stone, spinal injury, you spin? Why not claim your miracle today, punk!!! Puh raayyyyyzz Gaaaaaaaaaaaaawd!


You fraud-Back to Pentecost, with all your scam, alleged miracles, raising the dead, and you can't have your minor kidney problem/spine healed by God? Give the Laaaaaawd a shout!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!b

Penty scammer.

He named it but must not have the faith to claim it.

 

[musterion]

I've faced a difficult trial of faith, and have overcome some difficult battles, but its not good enough for you cause it wasnt instant.

Correction: not good enough for the apostles.

 

[john w]

He named it but must not have the faith to claim it.

Or he did not send in his $666 "love gift," musty, to Aunt Jan. I reckon that Jan Crouch won't be building a new pool, at TBN("The Devil's Broadcasting Network"), so as to lay out, and tan her make up.


Puh raaaayyyzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz the Laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawd!!!!


Amen?

 

[musterion]

Jan Crouch is dead, man.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/gl...founder-trinity-broadcasting-network-tbn.html

 

[andyc]

On the healing side of things, I was back to work within 4 weeks (although 4 hours a day initially), even though the surgeon said I would be 12 weeks in bed unable to move. Not bad, huh?
I'm happy with healing whether it comes instantly or over a period of time.

Now back to the subject in OP.

 

[musterion]

Yes, it's bad. You've conveniently put miraculous healing on the installment plan, just like you've done with salvation.

 

[john w]

Jan Crouch is dead, man.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/gl...founder-trinity-broadcasting-network-tbn.html

Wow-now I know why I did not receive my anointed handkerchief!!! Think I will get a refund?
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Matthew 8 KJV
16 When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick:

 

[andyc]

Look at musty boy and W back on the TBN stuff. Theyre probably looking for videos on youtube again. Standard procedure when theyre defeated.

 

[musterion]

Wow-now I know why I did not receive my anointed handkerchief!!! Think I will get a refund?

Operators are standing by.

 

[andyc]

Correction: not good enough for the apostles.

Even Jesus had to pray for a blind man twice. What was wrong with his first prayer?
Not enough faith?

Get real!

 

[john w]

Operators are standing by.

I think I will call them up, and just ask for a Suzanne Sommers stair stepper.

 

[musterion]

Look at musty boy and W back on the TBN stuff. Theyre probably looking for videos on youtube again. Standard procedure when theyre defeated.

You're defeated because you're deluded. If God had healed you a la the Pentecostal era, you'd be in the papers.

You're not.

You've received nothing more miraculous than an injured animal receives.

 

[musterion]

Even Jesus had to pray for a blind man twice. What was wrong with his first prayer?
Not enough faith?

Get real!

The apostles healed with cloth, words and shadows. Instantly. Completely.

You're still disabled and in pain.

You are not "healed."

 

[andyc]

Yes, it's bad. You've conveniently put miraculous healing on the installment plan, just like you've done with salvation.

When I find a verse of scripture telling us that healing is not for today, I'll stop believing in it.