I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, and let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.
Liberal extremists.
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I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, and let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.
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So you're single then.
Grammatically that holds together, but that's about it.
I kicked a bum out of Starbucks today. He was sitting outside, peed straight thru his pants. I proceeded to get a hose hit him over the head and spray him down. He left without incident. A white bum in Hawaii. What’s this country coming too?
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You're a bouncer at a Starbucks? That can't be a tough gig.
Illegal vigilante tactics? :think: Or Mittyesque prose fests. It's a toss-up.
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Simply the difference when a Polynesian man handles a bum peeing on a chair at a coffee shop vs a liberal white dude going into plead mode to rid the perpetrator.
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No, it's the difference between following the law and mistaking yourself for it.
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Yes. Makes me feel like a man. First I banged the table and told him to leave but when he played dumb I hit his head (tap tap) with a very light carbon fiber pole I had in my truck. The baristas gave me a free vanilla ice drink. Actually this was the second time I bounced a street person from a Starbucks. The first time I could’ve been hit with terroristic threatening. But no cops around, just me the Samoan sheriff.
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What did you feel like before you did that? :shocked:
No, that's not what a sheriff does. It's what someone with authority and/or self-image issues might do, though mostly in their heads. What the barista allegedly did was even less intelligent, as he opened his employer to a civil suit, hypothetically speaking.
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Hahahaha. It’s Hawaii man. The cops are your friends here. You get to do what they would do but can’t and everyone appreciates it, celebrates it. Unless you’re name is Obama.
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If you're not going to use a comma you might want to hyphenate and buy a mask.
In my experience they aren't generally the friends of criminals, which in your hypothetical is what you'd be classified as.
In this fantasy do people genuflect or just thrust cold beverages at you while sighing?
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He what?
There's nothing in the term "conservative" that defines them as that.
Things that were eliminated from normal society decades ago?
I'm talking today. :up:
"Taxes" isn't a nice word. Public education is a good example of what I was talking about.
You could look at what it was in response to:
You see anything sensible in there?
I don't know what that means.
It is liberals who advocate abortion — child killing.
1. Life has meaning.
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There's nothing you your invention of "liberal" that defines them the way you've chosen to.
The submachine gun part is today, the others were additional examples of dangerous tradition championed by the defenders of tradition. But I don't really see liberals or conservatives as inherently the advocates of wrong headed ideas. It's just that when they get a bad one they tend to go in whole hog. Both philosophies have given us entrenched evil often enough to make reasonable men avoid the tendency to lionize the camps. And both have given us enough sustained good to prohibit reasonable men from demonizing either as a rule.
I wouldn't suggest taxes are pleasant, only necessary.
Public education is a great example of a public good instituted not out of some altruistic principle but in recognition of self-interest. A better educated populace is a better workforce. A better educated populace will make more informed decisions related to the life of the republic.
You could quote a passage and narrow the criticism, but you didn't. What quip was inferring is that lock-step defense of the status quo isn't a good thing. You might not care for how he decided to make that point, understandable, but then you began the choice of approach with an unsupportable and insulting generalization of the divided camps, so after that complaining about the reasonable doesn't seem particularly reasonable.
It means that what qualifies as extreme is frequently a matter of perspective. If you believe liberal thinking in every particular is extreme you mostly illustrate how far out on the limb you are in the opposing direction. As a moderate I find a lot of value in any number of particulars with conservative and liberal thinking, and I see the extremist in both, for good and ill.
Speaking of perspective, most liberals who are pro-choice don't share ours on abortion. They see their support as a defense of a constitutionally protected liberty, the right of a woman to make a decision that they feel (mistakenly, to my mind and arguments) can't be settled objectively and shouldn't be settled by a particular religious litmus enforced by fiat. They don't see the humanity in the unborn, the way slave owners once appeared to miss it in the enslaved. And there are liberals who oppose abortion, just as there are conservatives who support the pro-choice camp.
Which is a way of underscoring that sometimes the difference is less about philosophy and more about justification.
I agree, but that's not the distinction between the parties.
And that's what someone with your approach always reduces to by the end. But the racial tendency was already established. It must have been gratifying for you, getting to shove around the homeless white guy.
I mean, you made the point on both, didn't you.
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Well I’m half haole too so it’s not racist. Just realistic. Town please. You have the logic of a nag
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So let me go back to the first Starbucks operation. A hexican guy thinking he’s a gangbanger in the middle of an upperclass hawaii suburb.. I see this guy looking out of place sitting outside the coffee shop. I’m in the drive thru. He’s making an older white guy uncomfortable and the white guy leaves. Fast forward a week. I saw him a couple times again up to no good. One day I’m coming home early morning and I get a call from the wife about calling the cops on some fool at the Starbucks while she and our teenage daughters were in the drive thru. I’m exiting the freeway and although she said she left, I’ll try and reach there before 50 gets there. You know Samoan sheriff.
So I’m passing by with my windows down I see him, look at him and he says to me: what if I dance on your face?
Uh oh did he just green light me for action?
So I get out, remove his cap, his sunglasses and tell him if he ever bothers another local person (including local haoles) I going to rip his blanking head of. He proceeds to tear up and apologize. Problem solved. Never saw him again
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So I’m passing by with my windows down I see him, look at him and he says to me: what if I dance on your face?
Uh oh did he just green light me for action?
So I get out, remove his cap, his sunglasses and tell him if he ever bothers another local person (including local haoles) I going to rip his blanking head of. He proceeds to tear up and apologize. Problem solved. Never saw him again
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That's true.
However, I've put forward things they tend to believe as reason. Also, liberals struggle to define their own label. It certainly doesn't mean what it plainly says.
How do you define liberal?
Seriously?
You know someone who owns a machine gun?
And yet, it is liberals fighting for such things today.
It's simpler to just look at what the words mean.
Is that a retraction?
Reason No. 1,088 to get our keep your kids out of the government schools.
What?
I made a post in response to a piece of nonsense calling it what it was. If you want to call Quip's contribution sensible in some way, go for it. Just don't pretend there was no context to what I said.
[/Quote]It means that what qualifies as extreme is frequently a matter of perspective.[/quote]Murdering children?
I wasn't making a distinction between any parties. :idunno:
One of the fundamentals is that life has meaning.
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Outside of abortion? Such as? I read the goofy, "pansies, left/wrong nonsense. But I outside of abortion what things?
I think liberalism, outside of the general tendency, is much more divided and harder to pin down than conservative thinking, so that's not surprising.
Just looked at Merriam Webster. I'd bet someone identifying as a liberal would say that it actually does mean what it plainly says, but I'm not interested in haggling over it. You'll have to take it up with one of them.
I tend to address it as it applies to particular issues, as I do with conservatism. And I've generally found that people move between the two terms by issue. I suspect more people consider themselves one or the other as part of their impression of its application in a broad and frequently political expression.
I know more than one person who does, and more than a few with AR-15s and bump stocks. Everyone I know is a gun owner and more than a couple, one in my family, is a collector. I'm a gun owner, but I've reduced mine to breach and bolt action, which is what I am a proponent of in terms of gun rights. It's not really about machine guns or even ARs to me, though they're part of or the most obvious expression of the larger problem with modern weapons.
Outside of abortion, which still manages to find people from conservative camps in the pro-choice column and some in the liberal camp opposing, what do you have in mind?
It's simpler to just shoot into a crowd of people when you're sure a murderer is hiding there. Not a good idea, mind you, but simpler.
Doesn't read like one. Are you suggesting all good ideas are pleasant ones in application?
You think having people better capable of making informed decisions in relation to their government is a bad idea? That was the what quote you followed with the above advanced.
Your response wasn't tied to a particular quote. Quip had written a poke at you, but given you started the thread with words like extremists and pansies as expressions of how you saw liberals. So I wasn't entirely sure your remarks, untethered to any quote, weren't simply more of the same.
I think he made a point with a barb. I set out what I thought that point was and why it came to you in that form.
Supra.
I wrote: "It means that what qualifies as extreme is frequently a matter of perspective."
In the case of abortion the qualifier is when a person believes human right begins. There are any number of ideas and arguments on the point, divisions in both camps on the point. I advance the flag of conception, both as a moral and rational necessity.
If you say liberals are X and that you're a conservative that's one of the things you're doing.
Not something either camp fundamentally disagrees with.